TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

[SensibleSigma]

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

You’re a conspiracy theorist. By definition, your beliefs have no real basis and could be picked apart quite easily, so yes I do know about you as you have revealed yourself by virtue of the fact you subscribe to bullshit and are easily swayed.

What do you mean 'there can only be one truth'? Surely you know that's not how research/science works?

The whole point is - in science - new evidence emerges/changes over time. And people's opinions/beliefs can change with it. It's really no deeper than that.

For someone claiming to be sooo against conspiracy theorists, you seem to know an awful lot about them. Certainly way more than I do...

What I mean is, although science is ever changing facts are facts at the end of the day. Surely your very intelligent mind was able to work out whet I meant by that? And surely if you were that intelligent you would be able to pick a stance and stick to it until such time some other very convincing evidence and undertaking of robust hypothesis testing caused you to change your mind? I mean, you wouldn’t just change your mind like you changed clothes would you? No!?

I know a lot about conspiracy theorists and the causes of their beliefs because I studied the whole phenomena at university and wrote a thesis on it. I find it absolutely fascinating to be honest. But next you’ll be telling me that universities and higher education aren’t worth it. Let’s just all sit on YouTube and listen to nonsense. Who needs education.

Brace yourself - covid can cause myocarditis and pericarditis. This is a fact. How do I know? I was hospitalised with myocarditis caused by covid before I was vaccinated. Had my latest booster last week. Think it was jab number 8. No recurrence of myocarditis.

Most of it involved blatantly misrepresenting those figures and selectively quoting from them to make it look like there was a huge problem of vaccine-related harm (which there isn't). He has appeared on platforms with some of the most extreme conspiracists out there.

@Jumpingthruhoops Besides which it isn’t ‘’science’’ that made people believe conspiracy theories. Science didn’t tell us that the vaccine was deliberately toxic to kill the masses and ‘cleanse’ the population (this one was going around even before it was approved!). Science didn’t tell us there was a chip in the vaccine. Science didn’t tell us the virus didn’t exist. These were totally made up rumours. So your point about changing ‘’science’’ being the reason you believe something different every five minutes is bullshit.

@MotherOfDragon86

Really? Well if I was ever unfortunate enough to come across you when I needed NHS help, I’d report you for spreading bullcrap and misrepresentation.

I think Covid or the jab must have deteriorated your sense of humour.

i have some sympathy for your view but the trouble with “go for it” is the number of other people you infect.

Someone I knew died at the gym completely unexpectedly (I think of a heart attack). She was fit and healthy and fairly young. Only thing is, it was 20 years ago. There's always been unexpected deaths of seemingly healthy people. Wasn't there a fuss about 10 to 15 years ago about screening professional footballers better for undiagnosed heart conditions? I think there were a couple of players who had heart attacks or something similar on the pitch and after that they improved screening, but this is quite a vague memory.

It's possible rates have gone up recently but there could be lots of reasons for that. I'll note the previous sentence also applies to those who'd like to claim everything is due to long COVID - I find a lot of the claims made about the effects of long COVID no more convincing that those made about vaccines.

Something can be a fact but still spun to give the wrong conclusion.

Take something totally different - it's a fact, from the data, that in 30% of car occupant fatalities in young people they were not wearing seatbelts.
Therefore I could immediately spin that to point out 70% of fatalities were for people who were wearing seatbelts, so wearing a seatbelt is obviously far more dangerous than not wearing one.

However anyone with any sense would also look at the data on how many people wear seatbelts (over 90%) and instead conclude that wearing a seatbelt instead makes you far less likely to suffer a fatality because of the sheer numbers involved.

So you can have a completely true fact, or professional experience, but you can still spin it depending on the conclusion you would prefer.

Undoubtedly some people have died due to the vaccine but it's miniscule compared to the amount of people who have been saved. Ive heard of some unusual heart diseases caused by the astrazeneca vaccine but none I know of with the others.

You mention the BHF as if it supports your view, it actually does the opposite.
That is pretty disingenuous

What part of what I said was bullcrap exactly? I simply stated what went on in the scanning department. It was a specifically list of patients who all had the mRNA vaccine and they were looking at cardiac issues due to this.

😆 🤣 😂

Exactly
I used to work in Pharma and we used the same clinical trials to prove opposite things at times.I switched companies at one point and was surprised that the same trials that proved company A's drugs was better was also being used to proved company B's drug was better.
There was one that showed based purely on stats that you were twice as likely to be murdered if you were on a certain drug than on placebo.
It needs a certain level of intelligence and critical thinking to interpret these things correctly and throwing respected organisations like The BHF around to prove the exact opposite of your point does not suggest its existence.

🤣 this is why I stay on MN. TY!!

Every MN thread should have a KM reference ❤️

Of course the BHF would say the risk is 'very low'... they receive funding from the very govt promoting it!

I know more people personally who have 'died suddenly' and/or who now have a life-limiting heart condition than I've ever known to have severe covid.

These cardiac events aren't nearly as rare as organisations like the BHF want you to think they are.

Since people on here like to listen to 'experts' so much, it's woefully ignorant - not to mention a tad disrespectful - to dismiss what someone, who ACTUALLY looks at heart health for a living, is telling you!

Surely if your heart stops beating, and your body cools down ( ie you die) your blood will clot anyway - after it has moved to the lowest part of your body ( I have read books!)

So, what you’re essentially saying is, you choose to believe some random person on the Internet who tells you they look at heart health for a living, even though you have no evidence whatsoever who that person is and their credentials, but you won’t believe actual credible, peer reviewed scientific studies that don’t say what you want? I think you have a monumental lack of self awareness to call anybody else wilfully ignorant, frankly. It’s absolutely laughable. You’re just making yourself look silly and proving people’s points here.

How fascinating, and what a inexplicably remarkable coincidence that none of those people had any other possible contributory factors like an unhealthy lifestyle, obesity, a poor diet, a history of smoking, a family history of heart disease, pre existing conditions such as rheumatic fever. So the only thing they had in common was a Covid injection. Amazing.Who would have thought it possible.

Search Dr John Campbell on YouTube. He interviewed an undertaker re this.

Dr John Campbell is a charlatan. He’s not even a doctor, he’s a retired nurse. Used to be reasonable until he realised he could get more money by promoting conspiracy theories. He deliberately misrepresents facts, which sound credible to most people not medically trained or those who don’t have the skill of critical thought (ie, most of his viewers else they wouldn’t watch him)