TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

That isn't funny. Nor is it funny to claim I'm lying about all the people I know who had wonderful side effects from the vaccine. Why are your anecdotes more valid? So rude.

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Vaxxers book

This is a fascinating book about how one of the Covid vaccines was developed, the research that went on behind it, and the cooperation between the national and international bodies to get it developed, tested and produced. It talked about other vaccine research (Ebola etc) that was used for the vaccine , the lives if the scientists and some if the science behind it all. Well worth reading.

Maybe the heart damage is from COVID not the vax?

My son has heart damage from COVID.

I thought the young people with cardiovascular events were often heavy cocaine users?

It can definitely cause heart issues, specifically myocarditis and pericarditis. I work in cardiac MRI and we specifically scanned patients who had heart issues due to the mRNA covid vaccine. Its even on the British Heart Foundation website. I never got the vaccine and so glad I made that decision. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact. I scanned the patients myself. I work in a cardiac specialist hospital.

You've simply had a full blood count with add ones!

Ah that's different,it's to do with body image , they'll blithely,wilfully ignore any negatives with that!!!

See this is an example of how you can spin information.
The risk of heart issues IS indeed "on the British Heart Foundation website".
It says the risk is very low and you should still have the vaccine
Covid-19 vaccines: your questions answered - BHF

Yes, it can, that is a consequence of the immune response to the virus, which the vaccine induces and as such, can cause myocarditis but the incidence of this is higher in people who have had a natural covid infection.

Nobody has ever disputed it can be associated with myocarditis. in fact, the NHS even stated this is more likely in younger men so to use caution, don’t do any vigorous exercise for a short while after the vaccine that may aggravate any possible inflammation, and go to A&E with any concerns. This was never hidden.

What people dispute is the wild assertions that every illness or death since the Covid vaccine can be attributed to it and people saying they personally know about 200 people who had adverse reactions as well as making up completely unbelievable stories about things like trackers in jabs and deliberate acts of genocide. It completely defies any logic and I can’t believe that grown adults subscribe to it. Before Covid, I didn’t think I was very intelligent until I learned what others believe 🤣

Quite. Those who were paranoid/anxious about having the vaccine should have been encouraged in their nonsense fears in the hope they would then refuse it.

That way, COVID stood a chance of killing them and thereby increasing the overall IQ in the remaining gene pool.

Yes, plus the fact that pericarditis and myocarditis, for most people, are minor conditions that tend to go away fairly quickly.

This! The dumbest people are definitely those who just accept what they're told and never question anything!!

Not according to this
Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

I’m absolutely not anti vax, I’ve had everything offered to me but I know of two people who had very bad reactions to the vaccines - one had a stroke at her desk where I work and the other (a relative) had a heart attack and now has a pacemaker. Both the same day as the vaccine. It’s likely they had something underlying already and it’s a very rare event.

John Campbell's YT content in the latter part of the pandemic consisted of talking viewers through ONS figures, official govt documents and VAERS reports. What's the 'conspiracy theory' if it's all official data?

The most intelligent people don’t just sit on google looking for information that confirms their beliefs, they know how to analyse studies and work out their reliability, where as conspiracy theorists cherry pick information and misinterpret information in order to make themselves feel more intelligent and less threatened. You talk about ‘’questioning’’ yet never listen to reasoned arguments, instead just moving the goalposts in order to make things fit your existing beliefs. That is NOT open mindedness or inquisitiveness.

In fact, the irony is, one of the hallmarks of conspiracy theories is they are not falsifiable because every contradictory piece of evidence gets dismissed, with the conspiracy theorist claiming that the evidence put before them is simply untrue and the person who wrote that article is ‘’in on it’’. If you were so very intelligent as you claim, you would be open to other ideas other than your own. The fact you can’t see the irony of what you just said just proves that it’s delusion and confirmation bias, not intelligence.

Quite a lot of assumptions made there. Based on literally nothing. Go you!

Because he deliberately misinterprets information to gain views on YouTube. He is a retired nurse, not a doctor or an immunologist. He has deliberately told lies in order to get more traffic on YouTube. He used to be quite a logical person until he jumped on the gravy train. His prior reasonableness was probably a ruse so he would seem more credible when he suddenly changed his tune.

I know a lot about why people believe conspiracy theories, and it doesn’t take a genius to work out that conspiracy theories are unfalsifiable because people just dismiss evidence that doesn’t confirm what they want it to, so no, unlike you, my assertions are not based on little or no robust evidence.

VAERS? I can put in VAERS that I had the vaccine and then my legs fell off. VAERS makes it explicitly and repeatedly clear that the data it contains is unverified.

Are the covid vaccines 100% safe? Nope. Nothing is. The paint on the walls of your house isn't 100% safe. Are those vaccines not as effective as originally advertised? Sadly so.Are the covid vaccines safer than getting a bad dose of COVID? All the peer-reviewed science says they are.

Utter nonsense. Try living with Long Covid for 4 1/2 years.

Has he? I've caught a few of his YouTube vids in the past and all he did was go through a document line by line, highlighting what's being said and, where needed, simplifying any medical jargon. Do you have the specific example of where he's misinterpreted information or lied? Would be good to see it...

I am not spinning information, these are facts and because you don't like the sound of it doesnt make it untrue. I scanned these patients, I didn't manifest them 🤣

Yes, but he fails to mention important caveats to the research and often uses papers that are not peer reviewed or methodologically sound. Are you telling me you believe those bits of information that confirm your beliefs, but not the others? 😨 you can’t be!!! Really!? Is that confirmation bias I see? 😉. It is easy for lay people who don’t fully understand what they are being told to be taken in, that’s exactly why he does it. Humans also are wired to be alert to threats, so will often seek out ‘’negative’’ things. This is why conspiracies make more money than accurate accounts of things.

Can you tell me, if conspiracy theorists know what they are talking about, why does what they believe change like the wind? I mean, one minute it doesn’t exist at all, the next it does but not as bad as is being said, the next the vaccine contains a chip for tracking, the next it’s meant to kill the underclass within three years etc etc etc and on we go. Which is it? There can only be one truth. Surely you all knowing folk know what that is!?

But that's what I mean. 'Unlike you?' Respectfully, you know nothing about me.
Have a nice evening.