TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

Exactly, not to mention that many CEV conditions are those that are linked to blood clots and heart attacks (e.g. Obesity, being over 65, diabetes)

Ok.

So there are people on here who think embalmers ‘pull stuff out of veins”.

But they don’t question exactly how could happen ‘or want to know”.

Yet immediately conclude that it’s vaccine related.

Hmmm…

There is no point in trying to reason when the whole thought process is highly unreasonable in the first place.

It transpired that it didn't prevent transmission though didn't it? So the coercion was based on misinformation. And anyone who pointed that out was censored. This is precisely why trust is so low now, and people are fearful and unable to believe what they are told.

@Annabella92

It depends on the virus. Some viruses are mutation prone (flu, Covid) so need updating regularly.

Some viruses are not. E.g HPV has a low mutation rate. It doesn’t need updating.

The Covid vaccine helps to build your immunity to the variant in 2024, preventing serious infection, hospitalisation and death.

I’m assuming you know all this before you jump to vaccine safety conclusions though???

It never ceases to amaze me how fully fledged adults believe this utter fucking nonsense, honestly. I mean, some of them might as well still believe in Santa Claus purely on the basis that every Christmas, you see men that look like him, or the fact that you can watch ‘Santa cam’ on the Internet, or track his sleigh on Christmas Eve using an app. That is the strength of some of your ‘evidence’ for believing these theories.

It beggars belief how some have made it to adulthood with such a lack of basic common sense and zero critical thought ability. To think that as children we believe that grown ups have all the answers and know everything. My 5 year old nephew has more sense than some of the numbskulls I have come across since Covid 🤣

They need to make this into one.

No, it didn’t ’transpire’ in to anything at all. I remember this from the time. The first vaccine was made based on the strain of Covid that was in circulation at the time, for which the vaccine was pretty effective at preventing person to person transmission, but less effective at preventing transmission of the later strains that had mutated to bypass it.

Although it did still reduce transmission initially, with each new strain, transmission rates increased, as is usual with all vaccines such as the flu vaccine. It was still very effective, however, at reducing symptoms even when it was transmitted.

Why do people just constantly talk shit and try to change events to suit themselves? It’s bloody annoying.

What is it about this particular vaccine that has people going batshit crazy out of their minds, when not for the flu vaccine, measles vaccine, tetanus vaccine etc etc?

Why this particular one? Is it because the internet and social media wasn't around when those vaccines were created? Or something else? I really honestly don't get the fuss over this one.

Is it this? https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34KB4DG

Yep, it’s been debunked.

Fear, I think. Simple old fear. People are weird as hell when scared.

They'll vote for Vance

@Annabella92 "It transpired that it didn't prevent transmission though didn't it? So the coercion was based on misinformation."

Others have explained why you're wrong here. And there was no coercion.

Yes, everyone (sane) telling you this is rubbish is all part of the same vaccine conspiracy - my dogs friend has a cousin who met a doctor once and they confirmed it

Damn straight I am. Precious about all vaccines actually. It’s an immense privilege to have them. We seriously don’t know how lucky we are.

They actually are very dumb with no critical thinking ability. It’s proven that most of them have very low educational attainment and low cognitive abilities, or have a need to feel unique by thinking they hold knowledge that others don’t. There have not been ‘plenty’ of conspiracy theories that turn out to be true at all.

There’s been a couple, but they definitely have never been uncovered by some saddo sat googling for hours, misinterpreting and cherry picking information that already confirms their biases and calling it ‘research’

Yes, intelligent people question things, but they also know how to interpret information properly. Believing in conspiracy theories and not being willing to accept a reasoned argument or evidence that contradicts your absolutely batshit illogical beliefs that anyone with half a brain cell could pick holes in given half the chance, is not being ‘open minded’. On the contrary, that’s called being thick and ignorant.

When I got mine I was working for a company with a lot of staff in India who I used to speak to on a daily basis, they would have been very grateful for Vaccines (or oxygen).
We are very lucky that there are vaccines for things now and while I appreciate that everyone has a right to refuse them for themselves doing anything that might prevent others from getting them REALLY pisses me off.

@VictoriaAlbert I’ve just thought about this actually, and I can’t actually think of any events that could be fully labelled as conspiracies that have turned out to be true.

I mean, yes, I suppose there’s been a couple of cover ups like the tobacco scandal or the contaminated blood scandal, but I don’t know if they can be classed as conspiracies because a conspiracy, to me, implies that it’s a secret that has been planned to fool and manipulate the masses from the beginning? Not just that information has come to light at a later date and has been kept under wraps to avoid the shit storm.

Things weren’t as well understood years ago as they are now and in the scheme of things these incidents are very rare. Besides as I said, nobody sat in their bedroom on Google ever discovered any cover up or conspiracy. If there was ever a conspiracy, it wouldn’t be out there so blatantly waiting to be discovered just by a simple google search 😉

I don't share your perception on that.

You say that, but years and years and years ago when the GP stuck a needle in my arm and so much RED STUFF came out that it filled a whole row of little poppered-together plastic vials (that he put into an envelope, explain that away) it was less than 12 months after I had an anti-tetanus jab which JUST GOES TO SHOW.

This is not new.

@Annabella92 How were you coerced?

Oh god, I think vaccines are great but there was no doubt that we were coerced into having them if you wanted anything like a normal life or to travel.

Scientist’s already had a base for a COVID vaccine as there had already been loads of work done on developing a vaccine because of the previous SARS outbreaks. They simply had to tweak / adjust what they already had.

The same scientists who were involved in development and testing and research and who advised categorically that vaccination was necessary part of dealing with Covid19, also gave strong warnings against using one particular make of vaccine in relation to women between certain ages for example. So there were known specific issues which people were informed about.

I think people on this thread are reacting against the people who thought that vaccination generally was a conspiracy. And I guess also seeing humour in the idea of mysterious things pulled out of veins.

there might be!

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Closest I could find for things shooting over a head!

The thing is, tone is hard to read. And when some people genuinely believe all sorts of weird stuff it’s hard to know how to read things.

Politics is really bad- hyperbole is the norm so people make disgusting allegations about people who vote differently, and actually believe the crap they spout. Go figure.