Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

[Newsenmum]

AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

• Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
• Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
• their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
• Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

The Democrats have lost to Trump two times out of three, so there is a lot of blame to share around.

Totally agree. Trump didn't win this election, the Democrats lost it.

I don't get why Hilary & Kamala are so unacceptable (well I do, misogyny) I'm a brown woman, educated, I would have voted for both these women and will them on over the last 2 elections from a far, but most countries will not vote a woman in, let alone a brown woman, sad but they were doomed from the start

They did go about it the wrong way. They changed candidates too late and it feels that's on Biden. But in a way I'm not sure it made a difference, those who were going to vote democrat would have done so whomever the candidate was just to keep Trump out. And those who voted Trump, would they have voted democrat if there had been a different candidate? Surely you have to be pretty partisan to vote Trump, to the point you would never vote otherwise. But I'm really interested in what others think about this, I'm trying to get my head around. I just can't imagine someone saying oh, I'd vote democrat if I liked the candidate more but as it is I'll vote for Trump. There's a huge gulf in ideology that means i can't make that make sense.

And whether or not @outandunder is correct about misogyny (and I suspect it is at least part of the equation), neither party is going to field another female candidate in a hurry.

So wait a minute, part of your issue is that Kamala is too much of an educated women and doesn’t have children?
I am sure that many words will be spent analysing why the Republicans won and the Democrats did not, but I really hope that history does not come down on the side of well, the Democrats had the temerity to have an educated woman without children as their presidential candidate.
What counts as too educated? Let’s say she was not educated beyond high school, then it would be, well, how does she know x, y or z.
And what if she had children, then it would be why is she not focusing on her children?
If you mean, the issue was the Democrats fielded a woman, then state that and call out the sexism. But let’s be honest about that. It’s nothing to do with her level of education or whether she has children or not.

The thing is that’s just not true- elections are basically decided by swing voters- people who might vote for either party depending on how they feel at the time so there were people who voted Biden last time but Trump this time. This is why I find the vitriol directed at Trump supporters unhelpful because the ones that actually decided the election probably voted democrat last time so the question is why not this time?

Of course the other thing is that had Obama not done a deal with the Clintons that effectively stopped Biden running in 2016, we could have avoided all this. So much for democracy.

This is what I feel. It’s so sad.

@LaPalmaLlama thank you, I suppose that's the bit I don't understand, how can you be a swing voter between the democrats and Trump, they are just so poles apart. But as you say they have decided the election, the thing to do now is understand what made them swing.

And that’s another thing. The democrats and their supporters define themselves as being ‘the good guys’ and ‘nice to everyone’ which means the deals and corruption look so much worse.

It's Biden's fault for not stepping down sooner. The Democrats could not have picked anyone else.

People tend to feel passionate about one thing and focus on that.

Trump won that election the moment that kid shot at him in Pennsylvania. It was like a redneck call to arms.

Speaking for myself and the other women I know who voted Republican: The race or sex of the candidates ranks extremely low in importance in our decision-making process. We voted on policies and our faith in the candidate to make the right choices for our country.

I'd gladly vote for a black, brown, Asian, or other minority candidate, male or female, if I felt they would lead the nation in the right direction. Harris was not that person. Sure, I'd love to see a powerful woman hold the highest office in my lifetime, until we have a viable female candidate whose policies I support, I will continue to vote for men. I feel the same way about race: It's not that important a factor for me, though I'd be thrilled to have a minority Republican in office, if only to show people that we're not making decisions based on race. I'm sure there'd still be some reason that it wouldn't count, though. Obviously conservatives are evil and racist no matter what we do.

As an aside, I'm astounded by people who insist that Harris is well-educated and very intelligent. Fine, maybe she has the degrees to claim she's "educated", and I'm not saying she's stupid, but she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public. She has a way of talking in platitudinous circles without actually saying anything that is incredibly frustrating.

I agree and it’s a very sad state of affairs. But we also knew this about the American public.

yeah, that didn’t help at all.

I’ve said this in another thread but - well yes they could have run a better campaign but still I’m seeing a lot of ‘well it’s the democrats’ fault, what do you expect if you call other people racist, sexist and bigoted etc.’

Well, if the response to that is to vote for the racist, sexist, bigoted, er.. felon, then I do believe you walk like a duck.

also, the fact that anybody would vote for Trump against any candidate the Democrats could have put in place blows my mind. I saw a quote on X that said something like it’s like being on a plane and being offered the chicken or the shit sandwich with glass in it, and asking how the chicken was cooked?

Yeah this pretty much sums it up in my opinion!

But you’ve got to get think about why. If someone is voting for a rapist felon, then something is going very wrong.

So can you explain your faith in Trump then?

@Newsenmum it must be that they will benefit in some way to the extent they can overlook the harm that will be caused to others by it. The obvious answer is they think Trump will improve the economy.

I think that’s a lot of it, yes. And that things will keep getting worse and worse with the democrats. The average American has a shit life atm.

“she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public”

I’m not American and have no great interest in this other than the obvious fact that it’s worldwide news. But I really have to agree with @AmericanEskimoDoge here.

From what I’ve seen and heard of Harris she conceals her education and her intellect extremely well. 😐

Yes but actually the progressive left is toxic as fuck and spew their vitriol on Twitter for everyone to see/ read. The #bekind thing is mainly just a way of closing down debate. They flap their hands about democracy when they basically invented cancel culture so I can understand why people get frustrated with them.