Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

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AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

• Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
• Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
• their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
• Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

There was some analysis doing the rounds earlier of North Carolina - they’ve elected a democrat governor and then trump for president at the same time, they think around 10% of the people who walked in to vote for the democrat governor candidate then picked trump for the president- so it’s not policy differences or ideology.

the democrat governor candidate is a white man. Could be the problem is Harris is a woman, could be the problem is that she’s not white, could be she’s not got kids, but it needs looking at why so many people were voting for different parties for different elections on the same day.

It is a terrible and hugely depressing thing to say but they should have put a white middle aged good looking man v Trump. I think that would have been the only palatable option. I would love the US to elect a woman president or another person of colour or both but failing that I’d much rather a decent white man than Trump.

I'm "the American Public" that you say you know. We as a country do NOT all feel that way, and I don't like the implication that we're all the same.

I hope I wouldn't make this kind of generalization about another country; just as Brits are often divided, so is the US.

I'm tired of the division and fighting, and ashamed of some a lot of us. But please remember it's not ALL of us.

it’s also worth pointing out while the uk has had 3 female PMs and one POC as PM, they have all come from the party of the right. I think the US’s first female president will be a republican.

@beenwhereyouare we had the same after Brexit, we didn't all vote for it! I get you.

Completely agree. Thought exactly the same thing.

Don’t always like him but Jonathan Pie sums up your thread op in his latest video.

I completely disagree. Michelle Obama was the only person that would have beaten Trump male or female according to some pretty comprehensive polls. I’m a conservative. I would have voted for Michelle if she’d cleaned out the utter shit show that is the democrat party.

“i think she had good policies, but were not highlighted enough.
i liked the help for small business, families with newborns, and first time home buyers”

The biggest problem in the campaign was her. Regardless of how good her policies were/could have been, when it really mattered, she could not get across what that would look like. She pointed out the obvious and never actually answered a question thoroughly. When asked about how she plans to help Americans with the COL crisis she said something along the lines of ‘the cost of living is high, people are struggling to buy groceries, we need to bring the cost down so it’s affordable’. It was just nonsense. How could anyone have confidence in her when she couldn’t give confident and clear answers.

I think turnout was high but not as high as 2020.

My source was this, which is a fairly nerdy podcast about polling. They were saying that in 2020 there were 160M votes cast, but this year is more like 150M - and that the differences were greatest in urban, democrat-leaning areas, so the lower turnout affected the Democrat vote more (discussion on turnout at about 7:30 minutes in)

pca.st/episode/2205fa98-9f17-4390-b5d5-59f48d651b41

What was trumps answer to that?

I was annoyed with them when they fucked up the 2016 election after fixing it for Hilary.

After the Biden farce last 12 months I wouldn't even want them to win anymore.

There was never going to be a good outcome. I didn't vote for him, but the only way the results weren't going to lead to rioting and violence was if Trump won by a decisive margin.

I'm afraid of what's still to come; there may be violence or even war. But no one died last night from election violence, and when I was finally able to sleep, I felt safe in my home.

The MAGA have a lot of "sore" winners among them. Vindictive posts are popping up everywhere, and there is an incredible amount of venom and hate still in the atmosphere. Not sure why, but I expected better from the winning party.

Pray for us. Please.

Would you trust his V-P after that?

While I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I would’ve voted for somebody’s pet dog over Trump. Honestly, as a dyed in the wool democrat I can see why a traditional Republican candidate in the mould of, say, George Bush might appeal these days, which I thought I would never say. But Trump? No.

A shilling on the bar says we haven't heard the last of Shagger Al in the UK...

I definitely think the campaign could have been better. Like the rest of the world the US has experienced high inflation over the last few years and I think this is the main driver behind the results we've seen. Actually the Biden administration handled the inflation problem really well and the American economy is currently very strong, but I don't think the Democrats made that case clearly enough. Maybe that was an impossible task - perception is everything and Americans are notoriously insular so have no understanding of inflation as a global problem. I do think that the Harris campaign could have done better there though. She seemed to be constantly torn between claiming credit for the achievements of the Biden administration and distancing herself from it, which I think was the cause of considerable tension and contradiction within the campaign.

This is an insightful comment.

Well, the very blue New York State and California call the rest of the country the Flyover, so yes, there is a serious problem with how the rest of the US views Democrats ( patronising, patrician, focused on identity politics rather than working class/ middle class issues like jobs and safe streets) . I’m not saying Republicans are better, just that the optics for the Dems are shitty in a lot of states.
There is also the issue of the “religious left” maybe? Traditionally Irish and Latino Americans were Dem but they are also catholic, so maybe are conflicted over the abortion issue?
Aside from that WHY is it always “ Kamala” but “ Trump” and “ Biden”? Odd.

Who lol

Don't forget common American Dems didn't even get a vote on whether or not they wanted her as a candidate! They just slid Biden out and replaced him with her, never asked the VOTERS who they wanted in the Primary! What idiots, they think Americans are stupid and don't see these moves. Just like that NY Attorney General bringing Trump up on charges just because the Dems wanted to break him. Letitia James of NY was so biased and she will probably be stupid enough to still try to prosecute the President.

This is spot on. I can’t stand Trump. But the whole democrat campaign was so nothing, so uninspiring and so lacking direction, especially re: Harris’ time as VP and her relationship with Biden. It will be really interesting to see if the swing came from Democrats/undecideds voting Republican or democrats/undecideds electing to not vote at all (or indeed a bit of both). If I was American I would have voted for Harris but it would have been with little enthusiasm.

I blame Biden for not stepping down quick enough when he realised he was losing his mind a little bit and actually his wife for not actually encouraging him to. However, because they run on the ticket with the same name and they already had generated a loads of money for the campaign from their donors that’s why they chose the vice president to run as president I actually did find her very nice and warm and caring, and you could just see what a lovely person she was and she did come across quite passionate about quite a lot of the details of her policies.
I watched on Jubilee on YouTube Pete budageer if I have spelt his name wrong I do apologise but he is a gay Democrat from I believe Michigan who has got children who actually was able to persuade in a room full of 25 independent type people who don’t know who they’re going to vote for 12 people to his side even the people that were talking to him said wished he was running to be president because he actually was very very convincing

I just answered that in my last comment. But basically, a lot of people don't understand that in order to run for the campaign, they would have actually lost the money that biden had brought in from donations if they had try to choose other people, that's why they had to go with the vice president because she was on the same ticket.
I don't understand why, but that's what they were saying on the radio that basically they would have lost all that donations

Well, this is the reason he got the votes isn’t it?! The main focus of his campaign was the economy and he didn’t just give one generic answer each time he was asked, he spoke at length and confidently about his policies and plans. Do I think he will achieve it all? Meh. Did he run a more solid campaign than Kamala? Absolutely. You can’t honestly say she did a good job at answering questions about the COL, a primary concern of American people at the moment. Even her own supporters looked completely confused by her answers. It’s a shame, Harris’s America may have been better, but she did a poor job convincing voters, obviously.

Oh, but he DID win on his own, and yes the Dems were the arrogant ones. Look at how the DEMS were going AFTER this man just because they know he is NOT a Washington politician; he isn't the Washington status quo. Look how many Dems voted for Harris SIMPLY because they didn't "like" Trump's arrogance. Trump's arrogance is a personality trait, NOT a reason to not vote for someone or even look at their positive traits. He won because he loves his country, he knows full well he may be assassinated (they have already tried twice), he has the strength to keep moving forward under incredible pressure from his enemies in political circles.