Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

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AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

• Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
• Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
• their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
• Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

Why do the left seek to demonise? Happens everywhere. I'm a moderate centralist but see the appeal in voting right when you're not able to voice concerns. The media helped the pro Trump vote and still don't get it.

@SimpleThings101 I agree with you but I think she would have lost by more if she'd appeared articulate and educated. I don't think that's what lost her votes, look at her opponent.

I really blame the democrats. Biden should have been made to stand down much much sooner. Harris basically struggled to shrug off the accusations that she’d been covering up for him for years, which was a disaster for her campaign. Also, the Biden administration is extremely unpopular. She never managed to come up with any answers as to what she’d do differently, which was never going to go down well imo.

Good point, well made @freddyfluffball

Yes. But if the answer to any question is Trump, then I think there needs to be individual responsibility too. Like what the fuck do you think you’re doing voting for him type of personal responsibility.

Well, if she is too educated then she was hiding it really well.

Many people of colour voted for Trump. More than usual I think?

Sometimes being able to feed your family comfortably, buy a home, find work etc weighs more heavily than the morality/character of the candidate.
(I’m not saying that’s the right approach to have - but it’s what I’ve been hearing).

Exactly. People that voted for Trump chose to vote for Trump and everything that he stands for. They didn’t choose to not vote Democrat because of something the Democrats did, they chose to vote for Trump. There’s no excuse for it.

@RisingSunn yeah it seems this is the message to be taken from today. The democrats should have campaigned on the economy rather than Trump is a rapist and a criminal and you'd all be mad to vote for him.

The fact that anyone thinks that Trump is going to give them that is the problem. We’re talking about people living off social security in a lot of cases. He’s coming for that.

Americans often get polled on whether they think the country is going in the right direction. The question is not based on political candidates, it’s just a straight forward question. Recently 70% of people polled have answered no. They don’t like the cost of groceries and utilities, they don’t like the flow of immigrants and fentanyl across the border and they don’t like funding 2 foreign wars. Kamala was running on more of the same, Donald Trump said he would fix this. It’s as simple as that really

Do you honestly think that anyone that voted for Trump this time round would have voted Democrat if they’d just said this or that or something else?

“was not that person. Sure, I'd love to see a powerful woman hold the highest office in my lifetime, until we have a viable female candidate whose policies I support, I will continue to vote for men.”

this sums it up. Women held to a higher standard than men, they can’t win because they have to be twice as good!

the word salad thing is also a California thing based on the people I’ve met from there.

i think she had good policies, but were not highlighted enough.

i liked the help for small business, families with newborns, and first time home buyers.

the only people I talked to about it didn’t want to pay more taxes for her policies. Themselves first. I’d rather we all got help when we needed it and pay a little more.

@AmericanEskimoDoge “she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public”

If that was the issue with Harris, what would have made you think Trump was better? Do you really think he's "exceptionally bright"? It sure as shit doesn't come across when he speaks (or just stands there swaying weirdly for half an hour) in public!

@Miniopolis well this was my first post, that's exactly what I'm struggling to understand!

It's not necessarily that people switched from Biden to Trump. Turnout was way down in this election compared to 2020. It's likely that some people who voted for Biden last time just didn't vote at all this time - perhaps because they felt then for granted or uninspired by the Democrats' campaign.

Well yea because some of them voted Biden last time so they were persuadable. The swing voters decide the election, same as Uk. People who vote Tory/ labour every time regardless don’t do anything really.

Yes, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t fucking terrifying.

I keep seeing this on Twitter but most of the news stations are saying close to record turnout and in many states higher than 2020.

I’m also interested in the demographic. Historically we’ve thought young people will save us if we can get them to vote, I think social media has reached a tranche of them in the wrong way.

An example that I’ve seen a few times over the last weeks - is one of Black and Latino manual labourers not finding work because they are competing with workers that have come illegally from Venezuela etc

Trump has been firm on his policy on mass deportation. So voters like this will not give a hoot if he’s used racial slurs. They just need to work.

Yes but only in the two or three weeks after the shooting. In the last few weeks from what I read it was close but Kamala Harris had the edge. It was really crass when she wheeled out the usual suspect celebs. And had nothing to say about her policies.

I don't think that's true.

Yes, the Democrats lost it. Many of my friends have been posting things like "Vote as though your sister is Black, your brother is gay, your best friend is...." but it's a democracy. Successful candidates need to provide a plan that makes people want to vote for themselves, not for others. Democrats have been failing working class and lower middle class Americans for decades. Now, even when they tell these people what they want to hear, they often aren't believed.

But also, Trump tells a lot of people what they want to hear - and that's why they vote for him. Not because Kamala was lack luster but because he tells them they aren't awful for being worried about themselves instead of others, he channels their anger, he doesn't make out things are too complicated, and they think he'll be effective (I disagree, but I can see why his message appeals to many).

@Miniopolis Hmm, I don’t know. Did you see Biden’s disastrous debate performance? It suddenly became clear that the Dems had been covering up his decline and that he isn’t well enough to lead the country. Would you trust his V-P after that?

I think that many people were totally disillusioned by this election. I voted Democrat but I wasn’t happy about it, I felt like writing in a fictional name instead. I imagine that many ppl voted Trump feeling the same way.

But if she'd have won you wouldn't say that