Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

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AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

• Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
• Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
• their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
• Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

Yep, looks like he may have got fewer votes than in 2020. Democrat voters stayed at home. The party needs to ask itself why.

See Jonathan Pie on this.

You see, I’ve got no axe to grind here. 🤷🏼‍♀️
I’m not American and I didn’t vote.
Just giving my impressions of Harris.

Totally agree! As an American, I find it insulting for someone to think I would vote based on a candidate's race OR if a candidate is male/female.

Nearly every American today is of mixed race; except those from another country who have legally become naturalized citizens! 😂 Why we keep having to keep "color" score? Ask left wing Democrats: they race as well as economics (giving away money) so they can sway and DIVIDE Americans.

I too would have enjoyed seeing an American female become President, if she was a GOOD candidate, better than the other opponent regardless of their gender.

The "why" is that

1. they are not central to the voters - who are more moderate and middle ground in both parties;
2. they have a far left such as AOC in NY - progressives/socialists they need to dump;
3. there are MANY LEGAL immigrants who are being hurt economically by illegal aliens. It is also insulting to LEGAL immigrants for those coming across the borders to be termed as an "immigrant". They are NOT immigrants until they have immigrated LEGALLY in the U.S. and are basically taking up financial resources for all legal Americans. So they are "illegally" in the US and they are migrants not immigrants! Therefore, many LEGAL immigrants voted against the Dem party because with Trump and all Republicans voted in, they are pro enforcing AMERICAN immigration statues.

A very insightful post @WhichSock .

Tbh, I think that both parties need to do some serious soul-searching and come up with some moderate candidates for 2028 who will have widespread appeal.

We all can guess who those will be already. And am sure, just as the voting process was VERY well coordinated and upgraded from four years ago, both Parties will be doing some serious soul searching.

Is refreshing that all politicians got their rear ends handed to them by the voters.

Definitely understand your annoyance at the Democrats. Maybe for different reasons but there is much to be annoyed at

America was never going to vote for a women, especially not a black one. In a country where over half of all adults have low literacy skills, it's not hard to understand. How are those adults going to get their information? It's not like they can then critically assess what they watch and hear. We've seen it in other threads. People posting links that don't actually say what they think they say, or are just blatently untrue. The trump soundbites being parroted by women.
Some of the dumbest states have the most electoral college votes and are, in fact, over represented in the EC. These states vote against their own interests time and time again without realising the damage they cause themselves. They are kept undereducated by those they vote for 🤷‍♀️
It is what it is but kidding oneself that misogyny, including internalised, and religious zealots weren't the guiding force does no one any favours.
You only have to look at how these women are demonised and held to a standard so much higher than any man. And in such vile ways. The name calling, the demeaning, the assumption that every successful woman got their on her back is prevalent and WOMEN tend to take that narrative and run with it.

The rich were always going to go with the rich white dude. Nothing new there. lol

Oh, and I'm not angry or upset. I'm actually feeling hopeful that the rest of the world can finally pull away for the US and let them be the isolationists they've always wanted to be.

Ah yes because Trump always speaks truthfully, eloquently and clearly. No waffle or bullshit from him!

The Democrats lost this. Wrong candidate. They should've chosen someone other than Biden and Harris - you can't say you're going to improve things when you've been at the helm creating the problems. As for relying on the vote of women - you can't do that when you laud the Rachel Levines of this world.

What deal was this?

I don't suppose that anybody has been listening to lbc. Over the last hour, because he had a woman who I thought was very interesting, who was polling people that was her job. She said that there would be a lot of women that would say, we need a strong President. And when you push back to say, look, you know, actually harris is strong to look at her prosecution background then apparently they would say yeah but she's a woman and other countries especially Arab countries won't take her seriously.
So I actually don't think she could have done anything else I honestly do believe listening to that and some women callers that voted for trump it didn't matter they won't vote for a woman. That is very depressing.
The next thing that was said so many young men now are leaning conservative because of andrew tate etc so that's a big factor
What I personally think we are over looking is the news channels in America. We have gb news, the already I have seen people have put saying, oh, how good i'm following it from there and you already know by that they are either a reform or a tory voter.
That's because it's biased well imagine that but worse then you have fox news I tuned into I think a man called Jesse who had a prog on there he literally was saying that kamala may be a which this was a few weeks ago and that Satan loves her. So you can imagine what they must be getting fed on a diet of news

I think the other thing I’d mention is that the democrats seemed to think that people were voting for trump because they liked him. I actually think loads of people voted for him even though they DON’T like him. They just thought his policies would benefit them. So calling him a fascist or whatever didn’t make a jot of difference, because the people they were trying to convince, already didn’t like him anyway.

I think ultimately it comes down to money- and people think/thought they’d be better off under Trump than under Harris.

and he didn’t just give one generic answer each time he was asked, he spoke at length and confidently about his policies and plans.

Oh my god..

As I keep explaining biden didn't sit down it was his choice then he had raised loads of money from donors for the campaign teh way the system works is you can't transfer that money so it had to be her as she was on his ticket as his vice president. He left it to late

‘They are eating the cats! They’re eating the dogs!’

Yes that was said on lbc sad truth is on paper biden economy was doing so much better everyone should look it up if ours was doing as good in relation we would be happy

... as opposed to the extremely articulate Trump 😂!!

@CJsGoldfish That’s an interesting point about literacy, although a quick Google tells me that two blue states have the lowest literacy rates: New Mexico has the the lowest child literacy rate and California has the lowest adult literacy rate.

www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2079%25%20of%20U.S.,to%202.2%20trillion%20per%20year.

But I appreciate what you’re saying about poor literacy massively holding ppl back and contributing to generational poverty.

You r exactly what this polling lady described when she pushed back it was because she was a woman. If you can listen to trump and declare that he sounds intelligent with his ramblings then I think you need your hearing tested.

It should never have been either of them to start with is the point.

Hindsight is a marvellous thing but wether you like it or not, there were a considerable amount of Americans who chose to vote for Trump. I personally don’t think the Democrats did anything wrong, Trump is a phenomenon of our polarising times. People bought into his BS because they wanted to and I suspect a huge number of them know it’s BS too.

You can’t do much if huge numbers of people are prepared to vote against their own interests.

I think it's interesting that Trump got more votes in 2020 -at least it looks that way until all the votes are in. People didn't turn out to vote for Harris.

It's bizarre that people voted for someone with so much contempt for them that he tried to cling to power against the will of the electorate.

Sorry but this isn’t what the stats show us - the 14m fewer votes she got than Biden were not counterbalanced by a 14m increase in votes for trump. He actually got 2m fewer votes than in 2020!

The dems messed up big time, sufficiently that 16m fewer people turned out to vote. People need to stop blaming Trump (who is in deed a despicable human being) and accept that the Dems are out of touch with huge sections of US society. This result is totally on them.

Exactly this.