AIBU to ask for help to understand the American Election resul

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would vote for Trump

If you're American and voted for him or would have voted for him if you lived there can you please explain why?

You're not aware that Trump said Diddy is a good guy, is his friend and that he loves him?

Donald Trump appears to have flown on Jeffrey Epstein’s private jets six more times than was previously known, according to flight logs released as evidence in Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article256740662.html

Both Trump and Clinton are disgusting perverts who belong in prison.

The truth will definitely emerge, I’m just always surprised that people think Trump went to the island and forget Epstein was arrested under a Trump presidency 🤷

It’s Complicated but essentially 18m people less voted in this election than the last one.

It is not true that it was a “record turnout”. Donny actually lost 3 million voters and the democrats failed to bring back 15million voters, which I can only hypothesize is in part due to inflation (news flash: presidents don’t really have control over prices) and Gaza. A lot of “progressives” with their panties in a bunch decided to die on that hills as if Trump won’t bomb the living hell out of the Arabs come here soon.

impo, no amount of tax cuts would be incentive enough for me to vote for a convicted felon, ultimately putting marginalized lives in danger. None.

You’re not against killing the women in your country who have been dying of sepsis due to hospitals not being legally allowed to perform ‘abortions’. It just happened to a woman in Texas - she died with her mother on a hospital bed vomiting blood because she wasn’t allowed healthcare during a miscarriage. You’d literally value lifeless tissue over a woman’s life.

I’m pro-choice but this:

It may even mean less unwanted children as people take better precautions with contraception and are less likely to have sex with someone they aren't committed to

is actually a good thing? We should encourage this anyway. Hopefully there would be a way to accomplish this without such a restrictive approach

Tbf I haven't said anything for or against the democrats but regardless of what they may or may not have done Harris wasn't found liable of sexual abuse. Therein lies the difference.

Imagine you have an eleven year old little girl who was attacked and ended up pregnant.

Would you really, genuinely, sit here and think she should carry her baby to term? Really?

I was thinking that, but he may appoint JD Vance to succeed him if he gets too old. I’m not sure.

There was a ten year old in Ohio that this happened to. Actually she probably could have got the abortion in Ohio but the law was unclear.

What was NOT said was that it was an illegal immigrant that raped her, and it was her mother’s boyfriend (which is almost always the case).

So her scumbag mother wanted to quietly get her an abortion in a different state to protect her scumbag illegal boyfriend. Nobody reported this to authorities, it was only told to a journalist by (irrc) a staff member who was mad that this girl couldn’t get an abortion in Ohio (when she actually could). Only after it exploded into a national story did it come out that it was the mother’s illegal boyfriend and he’s now in jail and will be deported when he serves his time.

And people wonder why I voted Trump.

I listened to Americans talking in a couple of radio programmes this week. What the trump supporters were saying is that, while they didn't necessarily approve of him as a person, it was his policies on the economy and immigration that they supported. I think his policy on the economy is economically illiterate, but his team were clearly able to spin the narrative that the economy was better under Trump than Biden (external forces such as COVID and Ukraine war will of course have impacted that but I don't think voters tend to want a nuanced narrative). And then then were Christians saying that they supported his position on abortion. No thought for the children born into poverty as a result.

Here’s a great long article in the New York Times (historically very hostile to Trump) explaining his appeal:

archive.ph/9hPha

Can we please not bin this off as 'woke'. This is a man LARPing as a woman, deploying the most grossly offensive stereotypes to do so, whilst making a fortune and being invited to the Whitehouse to be all round applauded. It was a massive fuck you to women, now they have returned the favour.

It was too simplistic

Members of the House of Representatives represent their districts but deal with federal matters, in Washington

each state meanwhile has its own mini government that decides on a lot of (but not all)law. These guys are elected separately. The state government have far more power than say, local councils in the UK.
it will be more akin to the governments of Scotland, Wales and NI

And then then were Christians saying that they supported his position on abortion. No thought for the children born into poverty as a result

I think this is unfair. Christians really do believe that life begins at conception and everything is downstream of that. They are also very charitable (you can see studies, they are certainly more charitable than any other group in the US).

Believe me, as a pro-choice conservative, I find their stance really politically inconvenient. It is what it is, unfortunately it is a killer at the ballot box

@RingoJuice that's awful, but it has nothing to do with the question I asked the previous poster.

This is a good summary. Trump won because of his policies on the economy and immigration.

For the majority being able to pay the grocery bills and pay the mortgage is a higher priority than the policies on abortion.

I also agree that his economic policies are deeply flawed and will result in further increases in Government debt but at the same time the Democrats economic policies were equally deeply flawed and would also have resulted in higher increased Government debt.

But I guess no one ever votes for a politician that says taxes will increase, services get cut but hey I'm paying off the national debt.

It’s a trap for pro-choice. You basically are making the case for electives on rape/medical reasons. So states can then legislate for those cases and then say NO electives.

You do realize that, right?

In any case, the ten-year-old could have got an abortion under Ohio law as part of ‘risk to the mother’. It’s been widely discussed in the US.

What’s not been widely discussed as part of this case is the risk of unvetted young men of unknown risk profile coming into America and committing horrendous crimes like this.

@RingoJuice it's not a trap - PP said herself that she didn't agree with any woman getting an abortion for any reason - so I asked if she'd really let her own 11 year old carry a baby to term - which is what she's arguing should happen.

The case you're talking about is awful but has nothing to do with the question I asked so I'm not sure why you're determined to shoehorn it in and turn it into a discussion about immigration 😏

Sharing important context about a nationally famous case is not ‘shoehorning’. Especially when we are talking about what is dangerous to American women, and why American women would vote for Trump. As we are doing in this thread

Yep and not a Trump fan.

Just someone who's more centrally Sat, can be impartial to both sides and irritated by the predominantly left side using reasoning like that but glossing over how implicated both sides are in some pretty horrible stuff.

What don’t you understand? God knows I can’t stand Trump, but he knew how to appeal to the majority of ordinary Americans, many of whom are struggling with the cost of living, same as many on this side of the pond

I really don't think we would elect a racist, misogynist, homophonic, convicted criminal and rapist no matter how bad the cost of living got

@coffeesaveslives

I would imagine that would fall under the category of risk to the mother's life and thus be an exception.

@hazelnutvanillalatte I have nowhere said I'm 'for the killing of women'. I have said I am pro life- that means preserving the most lives we can. I have said in another comment that you must have missed that there should of course be exceptions when the mother's life is in danger. The people that let that woman die in the case you refer to should be prosecuted because every state that has limits on abortions has laws about exceptions for the life of the mother.

As I said in another comment, we need to make sure these laws are robust,. comprehensive and clear.

You won't find a pro-life person defending what happened to that woman. It was awful and wrong.

@adriftinadenofvipers

Thankfully in the US, there are a lot of people who are pro life. I understand that the public debate on abortion has been all but settled in the UK but it's very much alive and well here.

Bodily autonomy ends when you harm or kill another person.