To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

Yes I get you prefer Starmer

I posted Politico's opinion below which was for Badenoch

It's fine you can still like him even if I think he is bad. I guess that's why his ratings are low, not everyone likes him

Starmer’s a dreadful leader, but that was predictable in his role as opposition.

If the left continue to demonise anyone who has an issue with uncontrolled illegal immigration - calling them racist, bots and AI - then in 5 years Nige will have a pivotal role in the U.K. government.

Calling Americans thick and racist worked well to change their minds about voting Trump in, didn’t it . Maybe we could learn from this and accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion and discuss it like adults rather than the shut downs and insults that are so rife nowadays.

Interesting thought, but one which assumes that Reform voters are all ex-Tory voters. I don't think that's a safe assumption.

It certainly exists, just not behind every door like some people like to portray.
Not every right leaning person is a nazi, nor political party lead to the rise of whatever the current equivalent of the Third Reich is.
The left leaning certainly seem more hysterical than the center.

I agree with you to a point though I'd like to mention I am left wing and I make an effort to understand concerns and views from the other end of the spectrum.

I've followed politics for 25years and it has never been so polarised.

There are definitely left wingers who dismiss right wing views as "thick" "racist" or whatever but there are as many right wingers who call us "libtards" and "hypocrites" (if we're rich) or "envious" (if we're poor) or "woke" and assume we all have the same opinions on trans rights and that we all have blue/purple hair or whatever.

Both sides should stop yelling, making lazy assumptions and see each other as humans who are decent with differening opinions in some areas than them.

Tories kick election losing leaders out. If your prediction for 2029 is correct, the one for 2034 can’t be. Our electoral cycle is five years, not four.

less hysterical? was it the Republicans or Democrats who refused to get admit they lost the election?

Who instigated the riots in the UK over the summer?

I thought the Republicans just won?

They didn’t in 2020 when they said the election was stolen.

Nice try. Not a nasty parting shot - more a reflection of your tone. So the fact that Richi’s approval rating went down similarly is extrapolated to excuse Starmer’s plummeting popularity. I am sure I have read commentary in the papers regarding the approval ratings of Blair, Cameron etc tracked over the course of their time as PM and neither fell as low so quickly. You reference the budget/ wider economic and political landscape as though Starmer’s personal approval ratings should be divorced from him. If they are taken as an evaluation of the budget and/ or the party’s performance, I’d still take it as a sign the electorate has rapidly fallen out of love with him.

That was then. Trump has learnt a lot since then, enough to take an election that the Dems should have had in the bag, easily.
Such shoddy management deserves to be punished, and has been.

We’ll never know, will we? My bet is that Trump would once again be bellowing belligerently about stolen elections if he’d lost.

How many times has Trump insulted and demonized his opponents??? Like constantly.

In a country with low voter turnout, there will always be tension between whipping up enough hostility toward your opponents to energize your own base, and doing it so much that you energize the opponents to come out and vote against you, Trump seemed more successful at this than Clinton or Harris or even Biden; but it wasn't because he was less inclined to demonize his opponents; quite the contrary. He was just more successful at whipping up his own base.

And since I'm not running for anything myself, I can say it: Trump and Farage and those who seriously support their world-views (which doesn't mean everyone who votes for them) ARE bad and dangerous people. I don't consider them as thick or as my inferiors; I consider them as often very clever, and as my MORTAL ENEMIES.

I dunno, you've spent most of this thread posting claiming that the left shut down all debate while simultaneously ignoring questions and refusing to engage in any actual debate

you realise they had lawyers poised all over the place to contest this election if they lost?

Badenoch will need to unite the Tory party and hang on until the next election while appealing to the broader electorate. I suspect a Kemi and Nigel ticket would not appeal to many of either's supporters. The Labour party's policies will bear fruit in ways that are noticeable to people, e.g. investment in the NHS and tangible improvements. They should have just said people won't see a reduction in pay on their payslip than continue with the "working people" line which was never defined. I'm

Many of the Jews (including relatives of mine), who were killed by the Nazis, did not die in the gas chambers but at the hands of murderous mobs whipped up by the Nazis.

The gas chambers were the most extreme of the murderous things that the Nazis did, not the only thing that they did.

I love Kier. So you are wrong.

@MumtananoBay I wouldn't trust Farage to hold up standards of any 'culture'. The man is an intellectual and cultural vacuum. And as someone born in 'England' I feel no more represented by him than I do a squashed Cornish pastie. Civilised people who I respect do not have narcissistic personality disorder, nor are they prejudiced against people based on race or nationality.
'You do you' of course.

So do I, so much so that I can actually spell his name. He’s Keir.

Wow, you win

Blair and Cameron were not coping with the degree of conflating international and domestic crises that the politicians of the last 8yrs have, alongside a higher number of radical world leaders. I didn’t say they should be divorced from him – I said it’s common for PM’s to gather higher disapproval ratings during budget and winter. I am also not talking about current love/hate for Starmer, but patterns in approval ratings and what it may mean for an election years ahead. It’s my opinion that the current government is suffering the most turbulent foreign and economic challenges known to modern history. I don’t believe that any political figure actually tackling this job in real time would have a high or rising approval rating. Because it’s a horrible job and every decision is a horrible decision to make. That opinion is very widely shared, whatever politics you align with.

What tone? Can you point to language that specifically signals complacency? Because text on a screen doesn’t have ‘tone’. I can, on the other hand, directly point to your specific sarcasm, which is unnecessary and immature. I’m an adult taking part in a discussion and I’m not going to be spoken to like that by anyone.

You don’t have to approve of Starmer. You don’t have to agree with me. They are, after all, quite innocuous opinions of what someone believes to affect opinion polls and what it may mean for a further election. So stop speaking so poorly to others.

Literally yes.
I find halal to be grossly offensive and forcing women to cover their faces abhorrent.

Oh and I also find the term “people of colour” to be one of the most racist and divisive things to ever grace the English language. We are all different shades of brown and dividing us into arbitrary groups only makes the world a worse place.

But he wasn't elected.