To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

People asked the same question five times so….

49/51.

looks like Nigel is going to be the new deputy prime minister then.

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Yes and this is one of the reasons England is so great. I love it

I don’t think it’s entirely unthinkable if Keir doesn’t deliver in this parliament and Trump delivers economically, which he may do, depending on how macro conditions hold up, and the results of his wars on immigration and “woke”. I’d doubt they can get a majority from where they are in a single parliament though.

Literally said it’s not colour, but culture that’s important to me and indeed most of the electorate….

Is it the culture from people of colour that offends you the most?
You know all those Muslims with hijabs on eating halal meet?

@MumtananoBay
Are your fingers tired and you eyes hurting from all the typing today?
Have you had time to eat anything today?

So you speak for 'most of the electorate' now?

For fucks sake op they don’t start at the gas chambers!

his own right wing man called him a fascist, what more evidence do you actually need?

I hope if project 25 gets enacted then some of you fascist apologisers will have the guts to admit you enabled the far right … and I pray even more that I’m the one apologising in future, because I do NOT want to be proved right 😬

the thought this OP might have off spring is… disturbing

Not true. 33.7% of the vote in 2024, 32.2% in 2019. More or less the same but definitely not lower.

59.7% turnout, but decisions are made by those who bother to show up so not sure including people who didn’t vote is particularly useful.

I think the fact that it was a similar % of the vote but Corbyn was the worst results in a century and Starmer got a 162 seat majority pretty clearly shows people voted against Conservative rather than for Labour overall.

Well Kemi did not win PMQs today, that's for sure. She came across as unprepared and immature and looked out of her depth. It was particularly embarrassing when she kept on at him for reading from a script, while...reading from a script. That was an open goal for him. And saying defence wasn't mentioned in the budget when it was several times. I struggle to see anyone who didn't already like her being impressed by that.

And Priti Patel back on the front bench smirking away as usual, Laura Trott as shadow education secretary, Helen Whately, Chris Philp as shadow home secretary... and Mark Francois for defence....! I know she didn't have much to choose from but that is one deeply embarrassing and lightweight shadow frontbench. There are going to be some hilarious exchanges across the house.

As for Keir and Labour's popularity, as well as being irrelevant, I think the election gave a bit of a false perception as so many people were so desperate to get the Tories out that they lent their vote to whoever would do so in their area. Tactical voting was massive and makes it hard to judge the 'popular vote.' Also, Labour had a fantastic strategy of only targeting particular seats - the ones they needed to swing. Corbyn gained loads of extra votes amongst groups in places that were already going to vote Labour anyway, so it made no difference to the seats gained. This has led to people bleating that Corbyn is more popular than Keir, when really it just shows that Keir is so much smarter!

Well Kemi did not win PMQs today, that's for sure. She came across as unprepared and immature and looked out of her depth.

She was dismal, I felt embarrassed for her.

She was good. He was jeering all over the place, I felt the same for him

She was great. I loved how under prepared she was, she kept repeating the same crap; from her script.

My guess is Kemi win in 2028 or v narrow loss followed by a win in 2032.
I don’t think the party will eat her

Starmer repeats the same jeering lines every week. It's probably why his rating is tanking

@EasternStandard What was good about her performance? I get that we all support 'our side', but objectively, she got her facts wrong, she was visibly hypocritical and just weird with the script thing and she brought up stuff Lammy said years ago in an attempt to embarrass the government even though he has since met with Trump at bloody Trump Towers so what he said years ago is surely irrelevant. And even if it's not, what was she hoping to achieve? Is it a responsible thing for the leader of the opposition to try and stir up animosity between Britain and one of her allies in a potentially volatile situation in order to score a cheap point? That't the type of thing Keir Starmer always refused to do which led to people calling him weak and boring. Stupid people, that is, who are easily pleased by someone with a big gob and a few cheap gags. Thankfully, we've moved on.

Anyway, I see another poll says that just 1 in 5 Brits are pleased that Trump won, so I don't see that boding well for Fanboy Farage.

Sure he does. Inviting Trump to speak in parliament was a great idea.

I keep posting it because people keep saying nobody hates keir so I quote them and link to the article.

I haven't seen anyone say "nobody hates Keir".

You keep saying "everybody hates Keir" and I pick you up on that, because even in this thread people have said they don't hate Keir. Which means that not everybody hates Keir.

You have a very loose usage of "everybody" and "nobody".Your arguments would be far stronger if you said "Keir is unpopular", "more people think he is doing a bad job than think he's doing a good job". "Everybody hates Keir" is the level of argument I'd have expected from my 10 year old.

We have five year terms, not four years. You are mixing us up with the USA.

Badenoch will last two years tops as leader.

She was calm and delivered well.

He was het up, jeering and bullying. I get he has more jeers behind him and he probably doesn't care about polls or SM and feels immune with that many MPs. But I found him fairly repulsive tbh

Just all that bluster and arrogance, just answer the questions already. It's ridiculous

"Everybody hates Keir"

She certainly wasn't. We have a new President to work with, somehow. So she concentrates on scoring party political point by dredging up unfavourable-to-Trump comments made years ago, heedless of what this may do to our relationship with US. She gave the impression that scoring points over Keir and getting herself back into power is more important to her than the living standards and security of this country.

I mean he did answer the questions, such as they were... you're just saying words based on your opinion of him with no reference to what happened. I remember when Johnson used to wheel out the hilarious 'captain hindsight' quip every week and would end each session with a massive rant about Brexit, unions, whatever shit, knowing Starmer can't speak again after the last question. Now that was repulsive, blustering, jeering and bullying at its finest.