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To think Trump couldn’t be the better option.

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Friedeggs9876 · 06/11/2024 13:23

Republicans - congratulations on your win today…To Trump supporters and non voters, please help me understand. I’m reaching out from a place of genuine respect and curiosity, and I hope my questions will be taken in this spirit. I’m really interested in hearing about your perspective and understanding the reasons behind your decision to vote for Donald Trump over Kamala Harris in this election. Or perhaps you decided to actively withhold your vote because you couldn’t vote red - in which case I’d be interested to hear your reasons for doing so.

Here are some points I’ve picked up on IG and in the news, and I’d love your insights on these:

  1. U.S. Policy in Gaza

Lots of people seem concerned about the Biden-Harris administration’s approach to the conflict in Gaza, with some believing that Trump would take steps to end what many people view as the awful injustices happening there. I can see how this issue is deeply painful and personal for many people. However, I wonder if the U.S. position might be more influenced by larger financial and diplomatic interests that would remain steady regardless of which party holds power.

  1. Quality of Life Under Different Administrations
  • I’ve also heard that life seemed better for many Americans during Trump’s first term, whereas the Biden-Harris administration has been associated with more economic hardships. To this, I’d suggest that some of the difficulties we’ve faced recently - such as inflation, rising interest rates, and oil prices - might have been influenced by global factors beyond any one administration’s control, such as the pandemic and the war in Ukraine.
  1. Character and legal issues -

I’m curious about voters’ perspectives on Trump’s recent convictions and legal issues, including charges of fraud and sexual assault. How do these issues impact - if at all - your view of him as a candidate? I’m genuinely interested in understanding how his supporters weigh these factors and whether they feel these issues affect his ability to lead.

  1. The environment and project 2025 -

I’d love to hear thoughts from voters on Trump’s environmental policies and, in particular, on the objectives of Project 2025. As I understand it, the project seeks to roll back regulations on climate policies, aiming for increased energy independence and industrial growth. For those who supported Trump, how do you weigh these environmental decisions and the potential impacts on climate change against economic or other policy benefits? This project is also set to have a massively detrimental impact on women’s rights and that of the LGBQT+ community, restricting women’s rights to reproductive health, workplace protections and equality to name a few. As a Trump supporter how do you feel about how these policies might affect your family and loved ones? I’d love to understand how these issues are prioritised among his supporters.

If you’re comfortable sharing, I’d be grateful to hear your thoughts on these or any other reasons that helped guide your decision. My intention here is to listen and learn, not to argue, and I hope this post will open an honest and respectful conversation. Thanks in advance to anyone who chooses to respond!

OP posts:
Wordsmithery · 06/11/2024 13:56

Awaiting some considered responses from a slew of Trump voters, with bated breath.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:13

Trump's going to get rid off the pet eating immigrants, lower taxes and make America great again.

LeoOakley · 06/11/2024 16:17

Thanks for the post OP.

I hope many will share because I am also baffled but am not American - so whatever I think doesn't matter.

PoorlyBlah · 06/11/2024 16:20

I have no idea! But I'm secretly keen to see what happens to Harry's visa!

mathanxiety · 06/11/2024 16:21

Baffled too, and I'm in the US. Over 70 million people voted for a man who chose to spend his money on a gold crapper.

Moier · 06/11/2024 16:26

What with Trump and Stammer.. I'm fearful for the world .
We are doomed.
My American friends are very scared.
He shouldn't have been allowed to stand considering his past.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:28

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:13

Trump's going to get rid off the pet eating immigrants, lower taxes and make America great again.

And he'll stop the government from changing the weather, let's not forget how they've been doing that.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:30

I'd like to think that if people are honest - the Democrats have used lawfare to take Trump out of the picture in so much as if they threw as much mud as they could his way, some of it would stick.

Republican's saw this was just an attack on the person and as such, couldn't care less about it.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:33

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:28

And he'll stop the government from changing the weather, let's not forget how they've been doing that.

I wasn't aware that he could control the weather now; another string to his bow.

Scattery · 06/11/2024 16:36

I have family who voted Trump and their reasons seem to be "because of my pocketbook" and "he'll get us 'back on track'" (whatever "back on track" means). They gloss over the "convicted criminal" part because they blame the courts/rules, never Trump. It strikes me as almost cultlike, a bit like how some people here would have jumped at the chance to lick Boris Johnson's boots.

IMO the pocketbook argument will dissolve once Trump plunges us into tariff wars, and we are very much headed that way which sucks because Brexit left us in a weaker negotiating position.

But hey!! BoJo was such a CHARACTER, and Trump will MAGA, who cares about the actual details. Wonder if Farage is over there being his emotional support racist or if he's actually doing anything for his own constituency.

Honestly don't believe there's any point "trying to understand" these voters. Looking at where they get their information and who's selling it to them is more relevant, IMO.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:38

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:33

I wasn't aware that he could control the weather now; another string to his bow.

It was actually Trump supporters accusing the government of making the storms:-
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lyzw7xwxo

Satellite image of Hurricane Milton above the ocean, with BBC Verify label in the top left corner.

False claims about Hurricane Milton's origins spread online

Social media is awash with bogus claims that Hurricane Milton has been “engineered”. What are the facts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lyzw7xwxo

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:39

Scattery · 06/11/2024 16:36

I have family who voted Trump and their reasons seem to be "because of my pocketbook" and "he'll get us 'back on track'" (whatever "back on track" means). They gloss over the "convicted criminal" part because they blame the courts/rules, never Trump. It strikes me as almost cultlike, a bit like how some people here would have jumped at the chance to lick Boris Johnson's boots.

IMO the pocketbook argument will dissolve once Trump plunges us into tariff wars, and we are very much headed that way which sucks because Brexit left us in a weaker negotiating position.

But hey!! BoJo was such a CHARACTER, and Trump will MAGA, who cares about the actual details. Wonder if Farage is over there being his emotional support racist or if he's actually doing anything for his own constituency.

Honestly don't believe there's any point "trying to understand" these voters. Looking at where they get their information and who's selling it to them is more relevant, IMO.

I think you also have to accept that Biden was awful as POTUS and objectively one of the weakest leaders in US History. The damage was done by the time Harris took the stage.

the80sweregreat · 06/11/2024 16:41

Is the weather reference to do with ' Chem trails ' ? A few people I know are convinced we are being duped by this , but my own understanding of how or why this is a thing is scant as I just thought it was another ' conspiracy theory'. People I know are always posting things about it.
I know that the new US President is a climate change denier.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:42

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:38

It was actually Trump supporters accusing the government of making the storms:-
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lyzw7xwxo

I'm not saying that the hurricanes were created on purpose, it would be ridiculous to suggest that, however, it's a know fact, although unpopular, that weather modification goes on all over the world;
Weather modification - Wikipedia

Weather modification - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_modification

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:42

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:38

It was actually Trump supporters accusing the government of making the storms:-
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lyzw7xwxo

I see. What is it with Trump supporters and conspiracy theories?

Scattery · 06/11/2024 16:46

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:39

I think you also have to accept that Biden was awful as POTUS and objectively one of the weakest leaders in US History. The damage was done by the time Harris took the stage.

Biden should never have been put up for re-election.

But I think we should both accept that the two-party system is incredibly flawed and electoral voting is sus.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:47

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:42

I see. What is it with Trump supporters and conspiracy theories?

The US Government has controlled the weather in the past:

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:48

Scattery · 06/11/2024 16:46

Biden should never have been put up for re-election.

But I think we should both accept that the two-party system is incredibly flawed and electoral voting is sus.

Can't disagree with that.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:49

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:42

I'm not saying that the hurricanes were created on purpose, it would be ridiculous to suggest that, however, it's a know fact, although unpopular, that weather modification goes on all over the world;
Weather modification - Wikipedia

I think the Trumpists were not thinking on these terms.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:51

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:47

The US Government has controlled the weather in the past:

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

Right, so Biden manipulated the weather to being a hurricane to Florida costing millions and creating chaos because he could.

I suppose it's an easier answer than global warming which is also a conspiracy theory.

CrazyoldAmerica · 06/11/2024 16:51

Totally crazy that they voted him in again (isn't madness when you do the same thing again and expect different results). I would vote for anyone rather than Trump were I an American.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:53

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:51

Right, so Biden manipulated the weather to being a hurricane to Florida costing millions and creating chaos because he could.

I suppose it's an easier answer than global warming which is also a conspiracy theory.

Edited

No, that's not what I said.

Global warming didn't create the hurricane either.

A lot of republican's believe that "global warming" is being used by the "elites" to take even more money out the the economy. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this, there is no doubt that the business is worth billions, if not trillions, world wide.

CharSiu · 06/11/2024 16:55

I’m in the UK but my brothers are US citizens now. They love their money. One is very wealthy and the other is quite wealthy. They will always vote for anyone that will save them tax. They are not white by the way and worked their way up from nothing, They are what you would call bootstrap Conservatives. That’s it really, it’s not complicated for them. On another thread someone wrote some immigrants will pull the ladder up under them, that’s them. White liberals are very mistaken that immigrants will always support other immigrants. They are not sexist it won’t be because Kamala is a woman it’s because the democrats are more likely to cost them more in taxes. The very wealthy one and his wife work in big pharma and my other brother works in the oil industry. I’m the poor relative though DH and I still hit top 5% of household income for a while. We are viewed as not very successful, one accused me of being lazy once and a bit shit as I worked in an educational social science setting. I love them but they are self serving. I must admit I wouldn’t mind the sort of lifestyle they have, pretty amazing really.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:57

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:53

No, that's not what I said.

Global warming didn't create the hurricane either.

A lot of republican's believe that "global warming" is being used by the "elites" to take even more money out the the economy. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this, there is no doubt that the business is worth billions, if not trillions, world wide.

I'm aware of what the right think about global warming. I'm also aware of what the right think of people fleeing the effects of global warming.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 17:05

I think the thing that I struggle with is that given the choice between someone who has been found guilty of rape and someone who hasn't, I would always vote for the person who hasn't regardless of politics. Even if they did control the weather.

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