To think Trump couldn’t be the better option.

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Republicans - congratulations on your win today…To Trump supporters and non voters, please help me understand. I’m reaching out from a place of genuine respect and curiosity, and I hope my questions will be taken in this spirit. I’m really interested in hearing about your perspective and understanding the reasons behind your decision to vote for Donald Trump over Kamala Harris in this election. Or perhaps you decided to actively withhold your vote because you couldn’t vote red - in which case I’d be interested to hear your reasons for doing so.

Here are some points I’ve picked up on IG and in the news, and I’d love your insights on these:

1. U.S. Policy in Gaza

Lots of people seem concerned about the Biden-Harris administration’s approach to the conflict in Gaza, with some believing that Trump would take steps to end what many people view as the awful injustices happening there. I can see how this issue is deeply painful and personal for many people. However, I wonder if the U.S. position might be more influenced by larger financial and diplomatic interests that would remain steady regardless of which party holds power.

1. Quality of Life Under Different Administrations

• I’ve also heard that life seemed better for many Americans during Trump’s first term, whereas the Biden-Harris administration has been associated with more economic hardships. To this, I’d suggest that some of the difficulties we’ve faced recently - such as inflation, rising interest rates, and oil prices - might have been influenced by global factors beyond any one administration’s control, such as the pandemic and the war in Ukraine.

1. Character and legal issues -

I’m curious about voters’ perspectives on Trump’s recent convictions and legal issues, including charges of fraud and sexual assault. How do these issues impact - if at all - your view of him as a candidate? I’m genuinely interested in understanding how his supporters weigh these factors and whether they feel these issues affect his ability to lead.

1. The environment and project 2025 -

I’d love to hear thoughts from voters on Trump’s environmental policies and, in particular, on the objectives of Project 2025. As I understand it, the project seeks to roll back regulations on climate policies, aiming for increased energy independence and industrial growth. For those who supported Trump, how do you weigh these environmental decisions and the potential impacts on climate change against economic or other policy benefits? This project is also set to have a massively detrimental impact on women’s rights and that of the LGBQT+ community, restricting women’s rights to reproductive health, workplace protections and equality to name a few. As a Trump supporter how do you feel about how these policies might affect your family and loved ones? I’d love to understand how these issues are prioritised among his supporters.

If you’re comfortable sharing, I’d be grateful to hear your thoughts on these or any other reasons that helped guide your decision. My intention here is to listen and learn, not to argue, and I hope this post will open an honest and respectful conversation. Thanks in advance to anyone who chooses to respond!

I agree. I accept the democratic result of the election but let's not pretend this is a normal leader. It's so far from normal. Maybe it'll all be basically OK, maybe he's just full of hot air and will piss off to the golf club early doors and ignore the duties of his office.

But maybe he won't. And there's always the unforseens. Covid, September 11, the Ukraine invasion. How will he respond to major events? It is very worrying.

She said she wouldn't do anything differently to Biden. Bad move.

I think this proves my point exactly. The so called ‘uneducated’ are completely sick and tired of people telling them what’s best for them, when they lead completely different lives than them. They feel that they finally have a voice.

And especially when they see what the graduates of elite universities are getting up to and spending their time on.

There was a post on here a couple of days ago saying oh we don't need manufacturing, we need doctors and dentists and teachers - seemingly unaware that those jobs require years of self funded academic study and so completely out of reach for many. I can't believe people are so stupid.

Regulation against corporate price gouging was most certainly high on the democrat agenda and inflation under Biden is contained better than anywhere else in the world.

And that means absolutely nothing to your average struggling voter. Telling people that other people have it worse when they can't pay their bills is immaterial.

Some of the things you are saying were concerns with Biden too. Biden fit and trusted with the responsibility what a great lie. And as for ‘I wouldn't trust him alone in a room with a young girl!“ the same. About dictators why Biden was not more pro active to help Venezuela get ride off Maduro? Trump has been clear about his position on this.

And to be fair, the impact of inflation in other parts of the world has been managed in different ways. I'm in RoI and we have been getting direct contributions to our electricity bills from the government and bonuses on various benefits.

Which you can question the logic of, but it feels like 'help' to most people

Here's what the yanks are saying themselves, cult members will ignore this though, because that's what cult members do.

"I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. Let me tell you their reasons.

They wanted a return to normalcy. Gender ideology is just too out there. They want to protect women and children.

The economy has been disastrous for them. They didn’t have a cushion to absorb the inflation. They are cutting out everything in their lives just to afford food. And some are cutting that out.

Their lives have gotten very small. When they tried to tell you, they were told they shouldn’t splurge on things like a frozen pizza.

They see people coming illegally into this country and being handed stuff. Their stuff. Their money is being handed over. They have nothing. They watch as others are just handed more than they have.

They can’t afford rent and don’t know what to do. More people fighting for the same housing units makes prices rise.

They see a frightening turn towards censorship. They value the first amendment. Remember, it’s very important. They are so tired of being lied to and called terrible names.

Every time the mainstream media made up a story to make people hysterical they rolled their eyes. This pushed more and more people away. They stopped having any faith in the media. A firing squad? Really?

They feel the hysteria is toxic and frightening. Again they want this all to calm down.

They watch as political protests are punished for only one side. They see crime running rampant.

They see the people who try to protect us from crime being punished. The criminals go free to re-offend.

Essentially, they want their children to be healthy, they want their family to be fed, they don’t want endless war, they want things to be fair, they want the bad guys punished and the good guys appreciated, they want to protect women and children.

I hope if you are frightened today you will hear me. I hope I can help you see that things are not dire. I hope I can help you see that these were regular everyday folks who want regular everyday things. Food, clothing, shelter, privacy, respect for boundaries.

That’s it. Just those things. Peace."

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1854179213399502850

If they understood the reason for their high prices it might make sense to them. Instead they voted to punch themselves in the nose with tarifffs, estimated to cost the average taxpayer $2600 more per year in real spending.

They're not going to engage with hectoring economists talking down to them though.

I feel like a Martin Lewis type figure would be valuable.

Also, taking a step back, the US are not actually outliers in global terms. Incumbents have been hammered in most elections this year. With the performance of the economy a key contributing feature.

Very true, people want change. I just don't think right wing nationalism is a good way forward and unfortunately that was the change on offer in the U.S.

You may be right, but it's not your call to make (assuming you're not actually American).

I never understand how they think he's this great business man when he is in debt to his eyeballs and no US bank will loan to him, it's all smoke and mirrors that he 'owns' property and is a billionaire.
Foolish naive people

I'm not American but it's clear a lot of their voters aren't moved by the rapist crininal aspect. They either don't believe it is true or they just don't care. The Democrats weakened themselves by focusing on it, and it was too easy to write off as character assassination.

And considering Bill Clinton's behaviour and the weird stuff about Biden and Hunter Biden that was totally glossed over, I think they also probably think that one is equally bad as the other so they might as well pick the one who aligns better with the rest of their concerns.

Agreed, this too. Questionable sexual behaviour isn't uncommon, frankly. I think Trump is much worse than the others - morally derelict - but the Democrats open themselves up to looking hypocritical with that line of attack when they're not squeaky clean themselves.

I am an American who has been a longterm resident the UK as my husband is British and my grown children are dual nationals. I have passed my UK citizenship test so just need to pay the money and complete the paperwork etc. I will now do this and then think I will renounce my US citizenship which is nothing but a big and expensive administrative burden to me at this point.

I did send in my NYC vote but it doesn't count for much.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:30

I'd like to think that if people are honest - the Democrats have used lawfare to take Trump out of the picture

That's an interesting interpretation, "The Democrats" aren't in charge of the FBI and various prosecuting authorities. It's just rubbish spouted by Trump and his supporters.

Bonnie Greer summed Trump and his appeal to a particular type of voter up perfectly on Question Time last night.

We don't understand because we see it all at one remove. On paper, the US economy is strong, relative to other countries, so I didn't understand at first. However, it seems that it does not feel that way to Americans as they see their petrol prices etc rising. And in a society which is even more individualistic than ours, with even less safety net, people are going to vote for feeding their family.

Probably because Forbes puts his wealth at $5.5 billion and Bloomberg say $6.68 billion 🤷‍♀️

If this is untrue as you claim is the whole Forbes rich list also a lie?

We know how he'd react to Covid as he was in office when it happened. And alot of people think Ukraine (and the Hamas attack) wouldn't have happened if he'd still been in power. Honestly have people forgotten that he was in power before and the world didn't end. They should be more worried that the US has had a leader with dementia for the last 4 years (and wonder who was really running the country)