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To just be loving The Donald Win!

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Farting · 06/11/2024 13:06

I just love it. So pleased.

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izimbra · 10/11/2024 13:58

RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 12:44

Again you are spreading nonsense. I just looked this up and it’s like 900 pages, so also loads of stuff about education reform, immigration and small government initiatives.

Why are you trying to scare people about an abortion ban when Trump
literally said it wasn’t gonna happen? He lost votes for it too. And Melania came out and said she was pro-choice, which sent right-wing Christian
Twitter spiraling LMAO

"Again you are spreading nonsense. I just looked this up and it’s like 900 pages, so also loads of stuff about education reform, immigration and small government initiatives."

Yes - specifically, as described by the Washington Post - "infusing Christian nationalism into every facet of government policy". This is central to the project and the driving force behind it, and behind Trump.

For those who don't know what Christian Nationalism is - a summary:

"American Christian nationalism is based on a worldview that America is superior to other countries, and that such superiority is divinely established. It posits that only Christians are "true Americans." Christian nationalists believe that the US is meant to be a Christian nation, and that it was founded as a Christian nation, and want to "take back" the US for God.

"Why are you trying to scare people about an abortion ban when Trump
literally said it wasn’t gonna happen? He lost votes for it too. And Melania came out and said she was pro-choice, which sent right-wing Christian
Twitter spiraling LMAO"

The only thing that's been consistent about Trump's messaging on abortion and reproductive rights is that it's been consistently inconsistent, this has been reported on widely, and if you weren't completely suckered by Republican propaganda on this issue you'd be able to acknowledge this.

"Trump has shifted between boasting about nominating the justices who helped strike down federal protections for abortion and trying to appear more neutral. It’s been an attempt to thread the divide between his base of anti-abortion supporters and the majority of voters who support abortion rights."

For anyone interested in finding out about the granular detail on the likely changes to reproductive rights and abortion under the next administration - you need to ignore everything that Trump says and start to listen to people who are actually involved in researching policy around reproductive care. Jessica Valenti writes comprehensively about this issue: https://jessica.substack.com/p/what-happens-under-a-national-ban

Will Republicans pass a national ban?

"Trump has said he would veto a federal ban—but we have no reason to trust anything he says. My prediction is that if Republicans would try to pass a ban if they had the votes, but they would call it something else. (Like a ‘minimum national standard’ or ‘personhood protection’.) By claiming that the law isn’t a ban, the GOP would give Trump the deniability he needs to let it go through without a veto."

Another example of how a Trump administration could restrict access to abortion in blue states - effectively creating a national abortion ban - is by instituting the Comstock act: www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/the-comstock-act-implications-for-abortion-care-nationwide/

'What Happens Under a National Ban?' and Other Post-2024 Questions

Abortion, Every Day answers your questions

https://jessica.substack.com/p/what-happens-under-a-national-ban

izimbra · 10/11/2024 14:06

Out of interest - for the Trump defenders here - why do you think that 9 out of 10 black women voted Democrat in both 2020 and 2024, whereas less than 40% of white men did?

What do you think is it about Trump and the Republicans that's basically kryptonite to black women? 🤔

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2024 14:09

I do think the democrats and the left in general need to strongly rethink things. They've been counting on the whole "the future is left wing, the right voters are dying off thing" too much and it doesn't seem to be going that way at all. They need concentrating the current election, not the election after this one, because the election after this one never comes around.

RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 14:13

Trump has said he would veto a federal ban—but we have no reason to trust anything he says

So basically she’s just talking out of her ass. Ok.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 14:19

@OonaStubbs Incumbent governments around the world have done badly in this years elections - as was predicted following the economic and social shocks created by COVID and the inflation that succeeded COVID in almost all developed economies.

Really significant economic and social shocks are almost very often result in the ushering in extremist governments on a wave of demagoguery - no different with Trump.

Suggest this book if you want to understand this more:

amzn.eu/d/aF2Itws

izimbra · 10/11/2024 14:25

@RingoJuice

Trump has lied more than any POTUS in US history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FalseorrmisleadingstatementssbyDonaldd_Trump

Deja321 · 10/11/2024 14:45

izimbra · 10/11/2024 14:06

Out of interest - for the Trump defenders here - why do you think that 9 out of 10 black women voted Democrat in both 2020 and 2024, whereas less than 40% of white men did?

What do you think is it about Trump and the Republicans that's basically kryptonite to black women? 🤔

Probably because democrats and media tell black people that trump/ republicans are racist. Biden said in 2020 if you don't vote for me you aint black. Candace owens speaks alot about this.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 15:22

And Black women are too stupid to see that's not true?

Whereas white Trump supporters all know that racism isn't a problem on the right.

BTW - Candace Owens? Really? Biscuit

izimbra · 10/11/2024 15:23

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RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 16:10

Why are you linking to several articles about the same set of comments? He though Florida’s abortion law was too restrictive but had to walk it back a bit when the Christian right-wing howled about it.

CustardCreams2 · 10/11/2024 16:16

RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 13:37

Woke = a lazy insult used by those on the right to avoid having to confront their own prejudices and to shut down debate when they get uncomfortable

Tbh I find it’s the left that likes to shut down conversation on uncomfortable topics and truths.

Agree. Always the left

izimbra · 10/11/2024 16:17

RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 16:10

Why are you linking to several articles about the same set of comments? He though Florida’s abortion law was too restrictive but had to walk it back a bit when the Christian right-wing howled about it.

So Trump congratulating himself for the overturning of Roe vs Wade which has had a major impact on women's access to reproductive care across half of the USA - which he knew would be the outcome - and previous comments about women being imprisoned for abortions, is consistent with his support for all American women to be able to access timely reproductive care should they need it?

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2024 16:22

If people were that bothered about the overturning of Roe vs Wade, why did Trump just win the election quite comfortably?

RingoJuice · 10/11/2024 16:23

izimbra · 10/11/2024 16:17

So Trump congratulating himself for the overturning of Roe vs Wade which has had a major impact on women's access to reproductive care across half of the USA - which he knew would be the outcome - and previous comments about women being imprisoned for abortions, is consistent with his support for all American women to be able to access timely reproductive care should they need it?

Honestly his opinion on the matter is irrelevant since it’s a state matter now. All we need to know is that he won’t sign an abortion ban, said he wasn’t gonna do it and lost voters based on his statement. Do you really think someone like Trump actually cares about abortion that much?

izimbra · 10/11/2024 16:24

Trump has been ambiguous about this issue in every way. It's a political strategy and women will pay the price with their health and their freedom. They already are.

He knew the overturn of Roe vs Wade would result in millions upon millions of women losing the right to abortion. He celebrated that.

cardibach · 10/11/2024 16:25

I think he cares about it when a woman he’s slept with needs one.
I have no faith in anything he says, so him saying he won’t ban it makes no odds.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 16:29

"Honestly his opinion on the matter is irrelevant since it’s a state matter now."

Lol - all you read on this issue is Republican propaganda and Trump apologism.

You're working on the assumption that Project 2025 was nothing to do with Trump, has no bearing on the next administration and that there are no plans to further restrict abortion at a federal level and in blue states.

You're wrong.

Decencydiedtoday · 10/11/2024 17:06

Marmunia10667 · 06/11/2024 13:38

I'm enjoying it too! The lefties have left.

Leaving only the vicious and hateful. Very comfortable I'm sure.

DdraigGoch · 10/11/2024 18:23

ItIsBeginingToLookLike · 10/11/2024 11:28

Yet abortion barely figured as a point of interest in the exit polls. In the swing states, about 11 per of people said it was the most important issue (climate change came in even lower, at 7 per cent).

Most USA women don't care about abortion for themselves and aren't interested in that access, they are clearly content with those into abortion moving to Blue states and living their utopia there. Abortion is a minority issue.

It's a very individualistic society, so voters think of themselves first. They would sooner moan about high petrol prices (even though they are currently lower than when Bush was president) than care about vulnerable people.

GotToLeave · 10/11/2024 18:23

MalcolmTuckersSwearBox · 09/11/2024 13:07

I swear most of the posters on here are plants, just sent to stir up publicity, chatter and rage-baiting. It happens with every election cycle. New posters appear with inflammatory threads and comments, hang around for a few weeks and then are never seen again.

Russian bots too. Seriously. Sounds like a conspiracy theory but it’s fact.

roorants · 10/11/2024 21:16

GotToLeave · 10/11/2024 18:23

Russian bots too. Seriously. Sounds like a conspiracy theory but it’s fact.

I am not convinced that there are any R bots here at all. I am not sure that posters from within Russia have access, as we never see them on just normal threads. There are almost no posts which reflect Russian points of view here, in contrast to youtube where there are countless youtubers from Russia. There are almost no posters from the rest of the world posting much about Russia either. So I really doubt the whole Russian bot thing, I think that that was used to shut down discussion back in the day.

What I have noticed, however, is a group of posters who will quickly congregate on certain threads and basically take over, either by posting huge chunks of text one after another or by joining together as a group to attack other posters. They appear in relation to certain issues. But are they paid to do so, and if so, who by? I really have no idea. Who knows.

GotToLeave · 11/11/2024 17:11

roorants · 10/11/2024 21:16

I am not convinced that there are any R bots here at all. I am not sure that posters from within Russia have access, as we never see them on just normal threads. There are almost no posts which reflect Russian points of view here, in contrast to youtube where there are countless youtubers from Russia. There are almost no posters from the rest of the world posting much about Russia either. So I really doubt the whole Russian bot thing, I think that that was used to shut down discussion back in the day.

What I have noticed, however, is a group of posters who will quickly congregate on certain threads and basically take over, either by posting huge chunks of text one after another or by joining together as a group to attack other posters. They appear in relation to certain issues. But are they paid to do so, and if so, who by? I really have no idea. Who knows.

They don’t post Russian points of view. They create posts designed to create division. Putin wants to destabilise the West. It’s sadly working. We are a divided nation and we need to be United.

roorants · 11/11/2024 21:00

GotToLeave · 11/11/2024 17:11

They don’t post Russian points of view. They create posts designed to create division. Putin wants to destabilise the West. It’s sadly working. We are a divided nation and we need to be United.

The sort of posters who used to get accused of being Russian bots were those which explained things from the Russian/other countries' point of view. They seem to have disappeared from MN almost completely now.

In terms of division, our problems are to do with policy - governance, funding etc. Who is influencing policy, do you think?

GotToLeave · 11/11/2024 22:06

roorants · 11/11/2024 21:00

The sort of posters who used to get accused of being Russian bots were those which explained things from the Russian/other countries' point of view. They seem to have disappeared from MN almost completely now.

In terms of division, our problems are to do with policy - governance, funding etc. Who is influencing policy, do you think?

There is evidence of Russia creating divisive content and posts on SM to create division. No idea about this forum in particular but I can’t imagine it’s immune.

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