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AIBU to feel frustrated with my friend who’s moved to Australia expecting a miracle?

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sunshinerainbowsgalore · 06/11/2024 08:13

Hi everyone, I’m hoping for some perspective here. A close friend of mine recently moved to Australia, and I’m struggling to feel as sympathetic as I think I should. She moved without ever visiting, thinking it would solve all her problems. She used to say how awful England was and how amazing Australia would be. My other friend and I did warn her she might be disappointed, but we didn’t want to be too negative.

Here’s the context: she’s 29, has been to university twice but has never stuck with a job for long. She finds most jobs difficult and often blames her ADHD for why things don’t go well. I do wonder if it’s more about not wanting to commit to work, rather than just ADHD. She’s been very sheltered—never paying her own phone bill and never contributing financially when she lived at home, despite her parents’ struggles.

She’s also made snide comments about the lives me and our other friend have built for ourselves. We both worked hard for our stable incomes, partners, and homes, and she’s been bitter about it at times. In reality, she’s in a much less secure position, having made poor choices along the way. We’ve tried to give her advice for years on how to make better decisions, but she hasn’t listened.

Before moving, she even criticised my home, saying new builds were “rubbish” and that she could never live in one. She always dreamt of a big detached house, but I think she’s starting to realise how much hard work and financial stability are required to achieve that.

She’s already spent her £30k inheritance, which was supposed to be for a house deposit, on this move. She thought Australia would be cheaper, that she’d easily find a good admin job, and that everything would just fall into place. But after just a month, she’s homesick, financially struggling, and realising how expensive things really are. Now she’s asking me and our other friend for advice, but honestly, I’m not sure what to say anymore. She thought moving would solve everything, but now she’s learning that life doesn’t work like that, no matter where you are.

One of the impulsive things she did before leaving was spend £500 bleaching her hair, only to realise she didn’t like it. Now her hair’s ruined, and she doesn’t even know where to find a good hairdresser in Australia to fix it. It’s just another example of how she doesn’t always think things through before making decisions.

She’s even said things like, “Mum and Dad will buy me a place, so it doesn’t matter,” which feels frustrating to hear, as she’s not facing up to the reality of hard work and responsibility. Now, she’s likely to come back broke, jobless, and without a clear plan. I’m really not sure how to help her at this point because it feels like she’s expecting things to work out without putting in the effort.

Am I being unreasonable to feel frustrated, especially when I’ve tried to give her advice for years? Has anyone else had a friend who makes impulsive decisions and never seems to learn? It’s hard to watch someone you care about keep making the same mistakes, but I do want to be there for her, even though it’s tough.

OP posts:
ItGhoul · 06/11/2024 10:26

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 08:23

you don’t like her
she doesn’t like you
you now live on the other side of the world

quit navel gazing about her 🤷

This sums it up.

Delphiniumandlupins · 06/11/2024 10:35

Sounds like you and your friends are a bit opinionated when giving each other advice. It would be more useful to suggest she reflects on why she wants to do something or why she thinks a situation hasn't gone well. She may still make bad decisions but she won't be able to blame anyone else.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 10:35

Gardendiary · 06/11/2024 10:18

Don’t underestimate the impact that being neurodivergent can have on navigating every day life. You sound quite smug about how sorted you are whilst entirely glossing over this point.

I agree with this. It's easy to judge her but ADHD is literally largely about difficulty making decisions, follow through, impulsivity and emotional dysregulation.

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 10:36

Codlingmoths · 06/11/2024 10:10

Wow. You cannot seriously think parents telling a 25yo to spend 12 whole months trying to make a go of life is abusive.

yeah, because that’s what the parents said 🙄

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 06/11/2024 10:37

Chickennuggetjules · 06/11/2024 08:32

Your parents sound abusive

I'm not sure I agree with 'abusive' - @Catza says I actually do think that moving away to the entirely new continent without any support network will do her some good. It helped me massively to work through similar issues in my 20s. I had to make a life for myself, my parents categorically told me I will not be welcomed home until I gave it at least a year which sounds like she was acting the same way as OP's friend until her parents laid down the law and refused to enable her lifestyle any more. With that support withdrawn, she went on to make a good life for herself which she wouldn't have done if they kept bailing her out.

notprincehamlet · 06/11/2024 10:42

You need to audit your list of things to get het up about. Things that are 10,000 miles away should be outside anyone's worry zone. You're careering towards frustration burnout.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 06/11/2024 10:43

Codlingmoths · 06/11/2024 10:10

Wow. You cannot seriously think parents telling a 25yo to spend 12 whole months trying to make a go of life is abusive.

Telling your son or daughter if they get into trouble they'll be on your own is very shitty at least.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 10:46

OssieShowman · 06/11/2024 10:15

Cost of living crisis here, Housing rental crisis, jobs hard to come by.
No surprises that she is not happy here.

In UK or Aus?

rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 06/11/2024 10:53

It sounds like you don’t like her and you’re jealous she’s moving to Australia. She will have an amazing time and you won’t have to see her anymore. Win win.

FoxRedPuppy · 06/11/2024 10:54

You post is very ableist. A lot of what you describe as character flaws are symptoms/part of her adhd. It can be pretty debilitating. It is a disability and causes impulsive behaviour, over-spending, executive function problems, and fixating on things (such as emigrating). You don't sound like a great friend.

andfinallyhereweare · 06/11/2024 10:57

It’s been a month! She’ll find her feet. Just be supportive or cut back from her..

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/11/2024 10:58

TheShellBeach · 06/11/2024 09:18

Actually, you wrote:

OP is a troll

No, that's not quite what I wrote - and I also went on to say something along the lines of if it is genuine, then.... and I proceeded to give a load of information. If I had said it was definitely a troll then a) I wouldn't be complaining and b) I wouldn't have bothered writing it all out.

I get that no one should be piling onto an OP aggressively, but not to be able to even mention the possibility in passing - when that exact wording has been used on other threads without an issue - is more than a bit daft.

I've seen whole threads recently where the OP has been repeatedly called out for trolling and quite literally.....nothing. And then the over-zealousness of this thread. It's just inconsistent, that's all.

As I said in my comment which you clearly read, I'm neurodivergent myself and it's really difficult when there aren't consistent rules.

Corknut · 06/11/2024 11:07

It sounds like she really does have ADHD and is struggling. I wonder why you feel you can’t support her with what’s happening? I hear she’s made some bad choices but we all so. You mention she has said some horrible things - why are you still close friends with her? It seems like you aren’t really compatible? Maybe something to think on before you reply to her just now.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:09

FoxRedPuppy · 06/11/2024 10:54

You post is very ableist. A lot of what you describe as character flaws are symptoms/part of her adhd. It can be pretty debilitating. It is a disability and causes impulsive behaviour, over-spending, executive function problems, and fixating on things (such as emigrating). You don't sound like a great friend.

I agree with you. OP makes it sound like her friend is intentionally trying to ruin her life. She has Adhd. And it could be that Australia is the best thing that happens to her.

Mostlyoblivious · 06/11/2024 11:13

I think you need to work out what about her irks you so much (financial back up for example) then work on yourself and move on - the childhood book ‘my best fiend’ sprang to mind having skim read your first post.

Ifsheloses · 06/11/2024 11:15

sunshinerainbowsgalore · 06/11/2024 09:55

She has. She went out there to not come back and to live there permanently via sponsorship.

Who is sponsoring her for an admin job??

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:29

I had a friend exactly like this - i could have written your post. I found it exhausting hearing her complain, also she became unpleasant every time anything went well in my job even though she knew i worked long hours & was often stressed by it all. She seemed to want validation from me that her expectations that wealth & success should simply fall into her lap were reasonable. She was also often pursuing get rich quick schemes including several mlms and would persistently be flogging these despite me making clear i was not interested.

I decided it wasnt a friendship that benefitted either of us, and tried to gradually reduce comtact & allow the friendship to wither away.

She actually made this very difficult!

She continued to contact me a lot. She would send long voice notes with sagas about situations where she felt she was being treated unfairly at work, denied promotions she wanted etc. She moved job repeatedly and this happened over and over.

When back in the uk for visits she would contact me immediately suggesting meet ups etc. If i made excuses/said i wasn't free she'd suggest alternatives over and over or would turn it round and simply say "when are you free, I'll make it work" in a way that made it hard for me to avoid.

I've never felt i could simply go silent on her, we had mutual friends & fond memories of time studying together that i felt it was a pity to spoil and I don't like treating people that way, but as a result it has taken years for her to get the message and contact me less.

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:31

Who is sponsoring her for an admin job??

She could have gone initially on a youth mobility visa or something

Wondergirl1111 · 06/11/2024 11:33

tuvamoodyson · 06/11/2024 08:28

‘Oh dear, that’s a pity’
’oh dear, I hope you get it sorted’

…then get on with your own life.

I think this is good advice.

Sometimes people like to be victims and unfortunately kind people end up giving time and energy trying to solve problems with them or deeply empathise, when actually I've realised that some people like this in my life actually enjoy the problems - either because it's weirdly their comfort zone/ self sabotaging or because it gets them attention.
Either way it's not your problem and you can't fix it for her.
If you really like and care about her, let her make her mistakes and be there when she comes home. But maybe it's time to re-evaluate if this person actually belongs in your life, and if you belong in theirs. Some friendships last a lifetime, and some are just meant to be enjoyed for a season.
Detach a little from it and invest in yourself OP x

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:35

I agree with this. It's easy to judge her but ADHD is literally largely about difficulty making decisions, follow through, impulsivity and emotional dysregulation.

That doesn't mean she should be entitled to have ridiculous expectations that success will fall into her lap, and that others should feel entitled to validate that

If anything it should mean she needs to calibrate her expectations to something more achievable given her struggles. I have a friend with ADHD who used to work in a career path that required high levels of organisation and executive function. It was very stressful for her and she simply couldnt cope. She wisely accepted she wasnt suited to it and moved into something more flexible that played to her creative strengths, where success is more within reach.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:37

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:35

I agree with this. It's easy to judge her but ADHD is literally largely about difficulty making decisions, follow through, impulsivity and emotional dysregulation.

That doesn't mean she should be entitled to have ridiculous expectations that success will fall into her lap, and that others should feel entitled to validate that

If anything it should mean she needs to calibrate her expectations to something more achievable given her struggles. I have a friend with ADHD who used to work in a career path that required high levels of organisation and executive function. It was very stressful for her and she simply couldnt cope. She wisely accepted she wasnt suited to it and moved into something more flexible that played to her creative strengths, where success is more within reach.

OP doesn't need to be her friend but if she chooses to be her friend she needs to understand that this is where her friend currently is with her ADHD.

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:39

Its possible to have ADHD AND character flaws.

ADHD isn't a license to have everything excused "because ADHD". You can have ADHD and a bit lazy, just as you have ADHD and be hard working. You can have ADHD and be entitled.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:40

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:39

Its possible to have ADHD AND character flaws.

ADHD isn't a license to have everything excused "because ADHD". You can have ADHD and a bit lazy, just as you have ADHD and be hard working. You can have ADHD and be entitled.

If the OP doesn't want to be friends with her for those reasons, then that's fair.

Compash · 06/11/2024 11:42

Catza · 06/11/2024 08:25

I actually do think that moving away to the entirely new continent without any support network will do her some good. It helped me massively to work through similar issues in my 20s. I had to make a life for myself, my parents categorically told me I will not be welcomed home until I gave it at least a year. 25 years later I have two degrees, a stable job, a mortgage-free flat and I am about to buy my second property on a single income. Sometimes things get worse before they get better so, as a friend, I would advice her to stick it out for a year.

Bravo them. This is the point of travel (one of them) - to learn to stand on your own two feet, and that the world doesn't owe you happy. You you gain SO much confidence from gritting through the bad times, working and thinking your way out of them. 👏

Richiewoo · 06/11/2024 11:48

Don't advise her. There's nothing you can do. Sounds like you don't even like her.