To find it hilarious Labour claim to be the progressive party when they’ve only ever elected white men for leader

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We now have the fourth elected (by the party) female Conservative leader. She is also the first black female leader and second person of colour.

Whereas the Labour Party have never voted in a woman or person of colour to be leader in their history. (Acting leader doesn’t count.) And yet people think they’re the more progressive party. I genuinely find it funny.

I suspect their children are ''Sen betweeners'' and I have so much empathy with that.

The mind just boggles as to why people can't see its not only the Tories to blame for the SEND crisis.

I would just like to think people would realise that if the ''most'' disabled children are unworthy of support, they would realise that their lesser affected children are not going to be receiving any better.

Totally and utterly agree with this.

Spot on.

Yeah, but their white male leaders are a damn site more progressive that any leader of the Tory party since Macmillan.

Labour = progressive.
Tories = supporters of hide bound privilege.

And electing Kemi does not change that.

Kemi isn’t of sufficient quality to be a leader. She’s ableist, ignorant and doesn’t research properly- she literally printed leaflets declaring autism was a mental health condition. Autism is a protected disability. Decrying reasonable adjustments for disabilities would be held to account in any workplace. Who prints something like that without at least researching. Who wants a PM so sloppy- or ableist.

www.autism.org.uk/what-we-do/news/the-national-autistic-society-has-responded-to-kem

Do you see the current Labour leader as 'Progressive'?

SEN betweeners 🤔 Right ok

Yes but your own views on educating autistic kids are ableist.

So I'm struggling to take you seriously.

Those who fall between not severe enough for specialist and not able to cope with mainstream.

Take offence if you want, but you seem determined to think me rich or privileged for some reason.

I think she will make a good leader @M0ssGreen but that wasn’t the point I made. It seems the Labour Party have never ever thought a woman or person of colour of sufficient quality to lead them. I think that’s shameful, don’t you?

It's funny how it's very much about "representation", until the wrong party provides it.

Fabulous point. Until a few weeks before the election KS thought that a woman can have a penis and David Lammy thinks sex hormones mean a man will grow a cervix.

Well I’d say somebody who dismisses thousands of children with disabling SENs as Sen betweeners you are pretty ableist.

I think all kids with SEN should have provision but what little state funding there is needs to be shared out fairly. Parents threatening to pay for lawyers to get mainstream private school places via ehcps is not fair when the majority are then left with even less.

Special schools are a whole different issue and of course need to be funded.

How she doesn’t research properly and is blatantly ignorant, not adept at speaking without inflammatory rhetoric…

Could you answer my question about why labour don’t ever elect women or poc as leaders please @M0ssGreen rather than repeatedly avoiding the point?

1. I was the one said Sen betweeners.
2. It was an independent specialist school my daughter attends not mainstream.

Sadly, yes.

You are mixing me up with another poster.

Your child can cope in state school. I'm very happy that they can and of course I think the funding for this should be increased.

I also think that all of the money in the world won't make mainstream school suitable for some autistic kids and that THOSE autistic kids need educating too. The only way that that can be done is by increased special/ alternative provision where the LA will be required to pay (often private) education establishments money via EHCP, I think for a number of children no formal school provision will work and I still think that those kids deserve an education.

You think are so ideological that the minute the word private comes into it you think 'rich/ privileged' at the expense of the education of a large number of autistic kids.

This is typical Labour thinking. The Labour party chose to close special schools so are responsible in part for the expensive bills.

Rather than say I don't like Kemi but I can accept that Labour's views are not ideal either you are so entrenched in the politics of envy and blame that you refuse to see the issues.

Don’t have an issue with specialist schools, I do with mainstream private schools funded by the state.

I do have an issue with SEN inbetweens. There is nothing in between about my child she has debilitating SENs earning an EHCP. Her not having parents rich enough for lawyers or private schooling doesn’t make her an in betweener.

Inbetweeners devalues struggles children up and down the land are living with whilst having next to no provision.

Mainstream private schools are not funded by the state

Its literally the opposite way around.

Private school parents fund state school places AND the place their child takes at private.

And I suggest you take that complaint up with Lisa Lloyd.

You accused me of being rich so I won't be issuing any apology to you the way you have spoken to me on this thread, cheers.

How do you know my kid is coping in state? You could say the vast majority of kids with Sen aren’t coping with state but there isn’t provision for all to have private education funded. What little there is needs to be better shared around.

Hmm, I'd not realised Kemi was an identity politics choice, but that's what the OP seems to be suggesting...

The Labour Party policy was to close the kind of special school that might have catered to autistic kids who don't have learning difficulties. They called that inclusion. I think that the Tory Party continued this policy but the overriding aim of the Labour party is mainstream comprehensive education.

This means that there are no / vanishingly few state special schools for children who can't cope with mainstream.

Where are you going to put these children?

Either way lovely Kemi begrudges every penny given to reasonable adjustments they all receive so let’s keep that in mind when the word progression is included in discussion about her.

Because you can actually get them there without them killing themselves.

I don't think it is ideal I think more SEN provision aimed at autistic children is what is required.