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To find it hilarious Labour claim to be the progressive party when they’ve only ever elected white men for leader

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BooToYouHalloween · 02/11/2024 12:35

We now have the fourth elected (by the party) female Conservative leader. She is also the first black female leader and second person of colour.

Whereas the Labour Party have never voted in a woman or person of colour to be leader in their history. (Acting leader doesn’t count.) And yet people think they’re the more progressive party. I genuinely find it funny.

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RachelNoire · 02/11/2024 15:06

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 14:48

Because children, maternity rights and the disabled matter

Do you think the Labour Party understand what the word “maternity” even means and why it would matter?

They cannot define what a woman is yet - colour me surprised - keep electing “penis havers” for leadership posts.

Will they stand up for children who need to grow up without the influence of Pharma telling them they’re born in the wrong body? The right to have separate changing rooms and toilets at school? Will disabled people needing intimate care be able to request a same sex carer? Do Labour recognise and support these things for women, children and the disabled?

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:07

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:05

You're as bad. Under your world view my eldest would be dead or uneducated.

Countless children don’t have what your child has but you support a leader who makes their provision even worse- because your kid has provision. Nice

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:08

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 02/11/2024 15:05

Was just commenting on this on the Kemi thread, four female Tory leaders.

Labour are looking more and more outdated.

Not into identity politics, but Chuka Umunna was a Labour party leader in waiting. That was a waste (speaking of waste they also appointed the wrong Millibrand brother).

Starmer is a wet lettuce who is in by default as the public wanted a change of parties in number 10. I cannot see him lasting beyond this term, so Kemi is in.

Bar one - all 3 were vile and nothing for the Tory party to be proud of. I judge people on their ability to lead and polices. All bar one of Tory female leaders were appalling.

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 15:08

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:07

Countless children don’t have what your child has but you support a leader who makes their provision even worse- because your kid has provision. Nice

The tory way. Got mine, fuck the rest of you.

SpudleyLass · 02/11/2024 15:08

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:07

Countless children don’t have what your child has but you support a leader who makes their provision even worse- because your kid has provision. Nice

Ironic.

My child is protected via EHCP. I still denounce the poor provision of those children who don't have as much protection as my daughter.

I do despair for those 100k sen children without an ehcp in private, for example.

And my heart does go out to those children in mainstream who can't cope. Which is why I constantly needle my local MP and Bridget Philippson in regards to their SEND reform plan.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:09

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:07

Countless children don’t have what your child has but you support a leader who makes their provision even worse- because your kid has provision. Nice

None as blind as those that won't see eh?

I don't support Kemi Badenoch on her views on autism.
I also don't support yours/ the Labour parties on forcing all autistic kids into mainstream.

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:09

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:09

None as blind as those that won't see eh?

I don't support Kemi Badenoch on her views on autism.
I also don't support yours/ the Labour parties on forcing all autistic kids into mainstream.

Edited

No but I bet you’d vote for her without giving a thought to the majority of send kids.

peanutbuttertoasty · 02/11/2024 15:09

Women are going to get absolutely shafted by this new governments employment policies. No smaller businesses are going to take the risk of employing reproductive age women when maternity rights are granted from day one. That plus a reversal on means testing for child benefit and childcare support (they had promised to make it a household threshold rather than individual one), and an extra £500-1k per month added on to childcare bills thanks to the national insurance rise. Good one.

User37482 · 02/11/2024 15:10

I actually do think it’s odd that they have never had a female leader. Ethnicity not so much, white people are the majority so eventually there would be a leader who isn’t. But women are 50% of the population you’d think there would have been reasonable odds a female leader would have emerged.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:10

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:09

No but I bet you’d vote for her without giving a thought to the majority of send kids.

No I don't vote Tory.

I have simply come on to point out that your views on education for autistic kids are harmful and wrong.

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:11

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 15:08

The tory way. Got mine, fuck the rest of you.

Exactly this! Which is why Kemi is leader and truly not a sign of a progressive party.

Calmnessandchaos · 02/11/2024 15:11

For me Thatcher destroyed communities. In the North, decades later, people are still suffering from her choices.
May was ok but nothing exciting.
Truss....I won't even comment

Id like a woman leader/PM who my daughter can look up to. To be fair, I am not a Tory, and have mixed feelings about KB, but I hope she is a better leader than the other women were.

Happyher · 02/11/2024 15:11

Margaret Thatcher I’ll give you. Teresa May was elected unopposed as the calibre of men was so bad they all dropped out. Then she was bullied out by the white male patriarchy in the Tory party. Then came Liz Truss - batshit crazy and again she was ditched by the men who made sure Sunak won. I think Badenoch will go the same way so I don’t really think the Tories can crow about much here

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:12

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:10

No I don't vote Tory.

I have simply come on to point out that your views on education for autistic kids are harmful and wrong.

What views that think all send kids should have better funding, provision and reasonable adjustments. Yes really wrong.

SpudleyLass · 02/11/2024 15:13

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:12

What views that think all send kids should have better funding, provision and reasonable adjustments. Yes really wrong.

The problem is Labour didn't outline those in the Budget.

I keep needling the education secretary about those in mainstream provisions.

You'll remain as ignored by Labour as by Tory.

BeachHutsAndDeckchairs · 02/11/2024 15:14

I don't gaf what sex, race, religion or socio-economic background the pm is, or the rest of their party, so long as they govern with the interests of the public in mind rather than for the good of their own pockets or those of their very wealthy mates.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:16

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:12

What views that think all send kids should have better funding, provision and reasonable adjustments. Yes really wrong.

So small private special schools are OK then?

EHCPs that cover expensive provisions that can't be met in mainstream are OK then?

Is it OK for families to decide to pay for their children to be in private schools if those schools meet their child's educational needs due to autism or will you just sneer at them for being rich?

Do you have any empathy for the 1000s of families who can no longer afford private schools that were right to meet their child's needs due to small class room size or do you think those kids should have to be forced into an unsuitable school?

What about the 1000s of children for whom mainstream schools state that they cannot meet their needs because the child cannot cope with the size / environment what will you do with them?

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:19

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:16

So small private special schools are OK then?

EHCPs that cover expensive provisions that can't be met in mainstream are OK then?

Is it OK for families to decide to pay for their children to be in private schools if those schools meet their child's educational needs due to autism or will you just sneer at them for being rich?

Do you have any empathy for the 1000s of families who can no longer afford private schools that were right to meet their child's needs due to small class room size or do you think those kids should have to be forced into an unsuitable school?

What about the 1000s of children for whom mainstream schools state that they cannot meet their needs because the child cannot cope with the size / environment what will you do with them?

Special schools I have no problem with however EHCPs paying for private for a few when the rest are struggling with next to no provision- no.

I don’t have a problem with vat on private schools at all.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:21

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:19

Special schools I have no problem with however EHCPs paying for private for a few when the rest are struggling with next to no provision- no.

I don’t have a problem with vat on private schools at all.

So no EHCP based education for kids?

That's my two down the drain then.

No special schools that can meet needs.

No State schools that can meet needs.

Why shouldn't my autistic kids be educated?

Are you lobbying your Labour MP to build more special schools and put better provision in place?

SpudleyLass · 02/11/2024 15:21

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:19

Special schools I have no problem with however EHCPs paying for private for a few when the rest are struggling with next to no provision- no.

I don’t have a problem with vat on private schools at all.

Cool so you believe it would be fine for my daughter to have no school place at all.

I don;t think, then, you could judge Kemi at all on her views. Yours seem worse to me.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 02/11/2024 15:22

Michelle12A · 02/11/2024 13:20

It’s about the quality of the leader, not their gender or skin colour

So according to labour no women or people of colour have ever been of sufficient quality to be leader? Got it.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:22

SpudleyLass · 02/11/2024 15:21

Cool so you believe it would be fine for my daughter to have no school place at all.

I don;t think, then, you could judge Kemi at all on her views. Yours seem worse to me.

That's what I think.

This poster seems to be envious of kids with needs that are severe enough to require an LA to have to fund a private education or EOTAS arrangement.

Very very weird.

M0ssGreen · 02/11/2024 15:24

SpudleyLass · 02/11/2024 15:21

Cool so you believe it would be fine for my daughter to have no school place at all.

I don;t think, then, you could judge Kemi at all on her views. Yours seem worse to me.

Oh don’t be so dramatic. I simply don’t agree with you. FYI my dd has an EHCP and has spent a lot of time out of school due to lack of provision. Didn’t notice those with private school places giving a shit about the 1000s like her before vat on private education was brought in. 🤔

lifeturnsonadime · 02/11/2024 15:24

I mean it's been frustrating trying to get my kids educated under a consevative government but if this posters views mirror the Labour Party view it will be worse.

peanutbuttertoasty · 02/11/2024 15:24

The attack on private schools will be the most effective way of widening inequality and opportunity that we’ve ever seen. We will become a truly elitist society.

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