Too be really fucking angry with people who just let abuse happen- Sara Sharif

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Reading it now its horrific. People saying we heard screams- and yet did nothing??? How does a person just think that no im not going to report this, most likely because they cant be bothered/ dont want to be involved. Scum of the earth the dad is. The stepmother ( and her sister!) going on and on about how they feel bad etc and dont do anything!

@HaveYouSeenRain of course but grandad can afford top private schools for grandchild, flying back business class, he looks like he's speaking from a large house in Pakistan, the article mentions a gated property.

Exactly. And tons of replies saying “Mind your own business / Don’t get involved / Probably a parent having a tough day / Don’t judge / Snitches get stitches’.

It’s shameless.

It's a bit like calling for ambulance threads or going to a and e though.

People think if they call 999 an ambulance will immediately come even if their issue isn't quite as bad as a heart attack.

999 will triage you, so will a and e so why not go or call and let the professionals triage it.

Same with this sort of thing I mean poor Arthur, his grandma was worried sick about him and reported her own son to ss and still they had the wool pulled over thier eyes...

Omg I didn't even think of that, I assumed it was likely her which is why she refused. But there could be another reason she refused and that is covering up for someone else.

The older brother was ruled out. I don't think under 5s would have bite strong enough?

If the children were in the UK, would they be put on the stand? They probably hold vital information.

Could that be another reason the grandparent is refusing to send them back.

I can understand why he doesn't want to though as over here they would go in foster care by strangers, whereas in Pakistan they are with family who can presumably give them a good standard of living.

A good standard of living like his son gave Sara. He was hiding his son away after he knew what had happened to his granddaughter. The children would not be safe with people like that.

I wasn't saying that's what I think but rather the thoughts of the grandparents. They must think they can provide better care themselves over strangers in England.

The children are in care in Pakistan, not with the grandparent. Maybe they have already been sent back, I doubt they would publicise it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/children-pakistan-woking-surrey-surrey-police-b2409339.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66777880

I don't know if you seen this.
Polish uncle gives background

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12435675/amp/Police-historic-contact-murdered-Sara-Sharifs-family.html

The mother has been through a lot, she suffered the worst a mother can.

The Uncle didn't come to the UK to help, both sided of the family seem scattered all over the world. Settled happy people often stay where they grew up, people looking for a bigger exploitation pool move as those they grew up with had enough of them.

Gamblers love to lose.

There is something called a psychopath eye, where you can see all the whites of someone's eye around their pupil. You can see that eye in the old Mail article.

I didn’t want to just scroll through without commenting. This poor child was so, so beautiful. How anyone could harm her (or any child) is beyond me 😢

You asked, this may be why. Violence and gambling are impulse control issues and that gamblers have brain abnormalities.

From BBC
Nature can also play a part. A study using brain scans, external suggests problem gamblers may have lower impulse-control than the general population.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50828086

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102

The study found this was largely because of marriages between first cousins in the Pakistani community.

Consanguineous marriage accounted for nearly a third of abnormalities in a study of more than 11,300 babies.

@Peonies007

So allegedly he was already a violent gambler with his Polish wife locking them in rooms.
According to the polish cousin he had family and friends in the house to Marshall his polish wife.
He was already married to someone else in Pakistan.
The police had been called to the house once by the polish uncle.

I wonder if that's why his brother lived in his house to keep an eye on the new wife.
The new wife argued with Polish mum over seeing the children and she didn't see them after the ss didn't help mum to have access.

I still don’t understand why he got full custody of the children with his first wife and why she stopped seeing them.

Apparently he was very charming on first impressions so many he charmed the judges?

"whilst the police had" historic "knowledge of the family (ie when he was attacking his Polish wife and locking them up) they will not refer themselves to the ipu because the case does not meet the threshold.

I really fucking hope that threshold is met now.

There must be somethign absolutely visceral about your own relative being abused. I'm sorry but I wouldn't be messing about.

If they had shared custody and she objected to this it might have been a parental alienation thing. Especially if, for example, she came across as "vengeful" or obsessed with what he was like in their relationship not how he was as a father. ** but that is just speculation I guess.

**as women who have been abused often do for some strange reason.

But why did she stop visiting and moved to a different part of England? I don’t get it

Have you seen it's in the articles written and I said above

Sorry I don’t buy that. She argued with new wife - that happens all the time. She moved miles away (lived in Somerset) and left her children with an abuser and didn’t see them for years (apparently 4 years). I know I could never do that. There is more to this.

“When the couple separated in 2015, their two children initially lived with Olga but in 2019 the family court decided that they should live with their father. Olga still had equal rights to see the children but said that it became increasingly difficult to maintain this over time.“