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Labour has proved yet again that it hates employers/business.

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 31/10/2024 06:39

Don't be surprised when your local pubs, restaurants, hairdressers etc close up shop.
Don't be surprised if your employer can't fund your next payrise, because their NI bill has increased. Workers will indirectly pay for these increases; employers don't have magic money trees.
I work for an employer that has charitable status. We work to improve the lives of others but now have to look at reducing headcount. Employers are not all fat cats driving Mercs.
BTW, I hate the Tories. This post does not make me a Tory before anyone starts that one.

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Lyannaa · 31/10/2024 22:28

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newnamethanks · 31/10/2024 22:30

"International Revolutionary Marxist"?

Tt65 · 31/10/2024 22:31

FFS how many of these threads are we going to have? Unbelievable the shit posted on MN nowadays.

samarrange · 31/10/2024 22:36

Tt65 · 31/10/2024 22:31

FFS how many of these threads are we going to have? Unbelievable the shit posted on MN nowadays.

bUt KeIr Is A cOmMiE dOnT yOu UnDeRsTaNd ThAt YeT?

TizerorFizz · 31/10/2024 22:39

@MonkeyToHeaven Your posts are bonkers. We have high borrowing because the state spends the money on government services. It has a range of those of course but the notion it all goes to private enterprise is ludicrous.

MonkeyToHeaven · 31/10/2024 23:38

TizerorFizz · 31/10/2024 22:39

@MonkeyToHeaven Your posts are bonkers. We have high borrowing because the state spends the money on government services. It has a range of those of course but the notion it all goes to private enterprise is ludicrous.

Nobody said it did. But one of the reasons for our higher borrowing is because the handing over of our public assets to private companies has resulted in higher costs, poorer results and has dragged our economy downwards.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/foreign-ownership-of-british-assets-has-damaged-our-economy/?origin=serp_auto

In an article from 2012 Alex Brummer explained some of the long term impacts of the great sell off and it's only gotten worse since then. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2129523/How-Britain-sold-half-companies-foreigners.html?origin=serp_auto

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MrsSkylerWhite · 31/10/2024 23:49

Ilovetowander · Today 18:15
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It's baffling how this Govt seem to have ignored the link between increasing NMW and employer NI contributions with the reduction in business confidence which will undoubtedly lead to an increase in unemployment

Where we are (NW coast of England and the middle belt of Scotland, between homes atm), the problem for employers is inability to recruit.

TizerorFizz · 01/11/2024 00:06

@MonkeyToHeaven That is largely rubbish. The NHS is a bottomless pit and so are pensions, benefits and just about everything else! Very little government work is privatized in the big picture. Defence? Schools? Nhs? Benefit system? Your state pension? Of course not. Look at the big ticket items and then look at what is a privatized service - not much. How many £billion out of a whole government spending is going to private companies? And, why not? Many are far better at running their business than the government is at running theirs.

MonkeyToHeaven · 01/11/2024 00:45

TizerorFizz · 01/11/2024 00:06

@MonkeyToHeaven That is largely rubbish. The NHS is a bottomless pit and so are pensions, benefits and just about everything else! Very little government work is privatized in the big picture. Defence? Schools? Nhs? Benefit system? Your state pension? Of course not. Look at the big ticket items and then look at what is a privatized service - not much. How many £billion out of a whole government spending is going to private companies? And, why not? Many are far better at running their business than the government is at running theirs.

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The NHS returns to the economy for every pound spent on it is £4. And yes, a lot of money for the NHS, education, benefits, etc does go into private hands.

The current OBR forecast (along with most of the world's top economists and even the IMF) predict Reeve's public spending will lead to growth in the economy, but as anyone with any sense would know, it's going to take a while.

You can huff and puff and make baseless assertions all you like but you're not going to convince anyone with a basic understanding of economics.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 04:26

As well as everything else, it is obvious that Keir Starmer wants fewer farmers. It is just that simple. Some say he is punishing them for being right wing voters. But it's actually more simple than that - he is part of the push to control all food sources.

Starmer is a big proponent of the WEF.

The WEF have been blatant about controlling food production and limiting people's right to ownership, inheritance and anything else that might give them agency and power.

The phrase "You'll own nothing and be happy" was part of the WEF's push for communist principles entitled "Welcome to 2030: I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better," published on the WEF's Agenda blog in 2016.

There was a pushback against this because it is blatantly communist, so they stopped trying to push this grim future openly, while still working for it behind closed doors.

Shutting down independent farmers and forcing everyone to rely entirely on the state for whatever food they choose to offer you is right from the communist playbook. If you control the food at a state level you control the people.

The WEF plans for you to eat insects instead of beef and have been blatant about controlling food production, they want you to believe that eating insects will contribute to food security and be good for the environment.

The EU has approved certain insect species for human consumption, thanks to the WEF.

Starting from October 2024 in England and Wales, all poultry keepers will be required to register their birds with the Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA), regardless of the number of birds they own. They claim this is to prevent disease.

Starmer supports the WEF openly.

But don't worry, those at the top of course will continue to have plenty of power, be gifted clothes, holidays, have plenty of money and food choices and the freedom to travel.

Just like the Politburo of old.

At, at the height of the Cold War, Keir Starmer was the secretary and editor for a Trotskyite magazine, called Socialist Alternatives, a full on communist magazine specifically linked to the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT).

The magazine served as a platform for Marxist thought and was described as having a Trotskyist orientation. He was 24 when he did this, well and truly old enough to know better and to have his political beliefs well and truly planted.

He also spent a summer at a Czechoslovakian work camp aged 23. The Czechoslovakian secret police, known as the StB (Státní bezpečnost), used the camps to gather intelligence, monitor foreign participants and find people who might be of interest to the Communist party and they were particularly interested in profiling bright and ambitious young people from Western countries, with the hope that they could be useful in various capacities in the future.

But hey, I'm sure he just went to the communist work camp for a bit of jolly good fun and just edited a communist mag for shits and giggles, I suppose.

Surely he's not obviously and definitely a communist sympathiser pushing communist principles.

PS, dear hysterical mumsnetters - communism is a bad thing. Being anti communist is a good thing no matter how often you scream FASCIST!!!!

And claiming this is a conspiracy theory would make you seem quite stupid - I am literally just relaying facts and none of this is a secret. It's just that most people don't seem to have joined the dots.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 04:36

Feelingathomenow · 31/10/2024 19:26

I wrote earlier on another thread that it won’t be long before farmers and businesses will be able to hand over their business/farms to the government to settle their IHT liability - most people employed and fed by the government- I was called a conspiracy theorist. The British people were fooled by the nicely spoken man in a suit as opposed to the previous Marxist who looked like one/a geography teacher. We just need to somehow get through the next 5 years and hope people have learned their lesson.

Yep, and these facts are easy to find. I can hardly believe even as low a number as 9 million Brits voted for a man with obvious, clear and unhidden communist sympathies.

labamba007 · 01/11/2024 05:12

timetodecide2345 · 31/10/2024 07:43

The only people able to afford the hairdressers and meals out are the small business owners. They park their mercs and BMWs outside and don't look like they will struggle to me. If it means we have less nail bars and more people can get cancer treatments and operations then so be it!

What small business owners are these?

As a small business owner I've often paid myself less than staff to build the business (and make sure staff get paid). Small business owners go without sick pay, holidays, pensions and appropriate pay for years and years while building their businesses.

It's not just the increase in NI that'll hit small businesses it's the attitude by many like yours that we're all rich driving round in BMWs not doing anything of worth.

labamba007 · 01/11/2024 05:14

Caterina99 · 31/10/2024 07:53

We have 6 employee's. We barely pay any nic as we qualify fo the 5k allowance. I think now that there is a 10k allowance, it wont actually make much difference to us that the rates have gone up. I’ll have to run the numbers of course to check, but I think the very small businesses won’t be too affected by it

I have 8 and pay £3500 a month (currently but this will go up) so this doesn't make sense to me how you're paying very little!

Toomanywars · 01/11/2024 05:15

dontbedaft2000 · 31/10/2024 07:23

Christ, what a totally fucking miserable existence.

Life in the UK, you will own nothing and be happy, you will do nothing and be happy.

Someone's been watching YouTube conspiracy theorists and is now repeating the mantra 🤣

NoCarbsForMe · 01/11/2024 06:37

randomchap · 31/10/2024 07:55

Johnson said "Fuck Business" and carried out his plans and actually did fuck business with Brexit

Exactly

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:39

Do people who are dismissing that KS is a ‘commie’ just think he’s not one because ‘he doesn’t look like a communist’ or actually support communism and think Big Government and ‘equity’ is a good idea?
it’s hard to tell

NoCarbsForMe · 01/11/2024 06:41

Not hard to tell when Tory HQ are posting though is it!

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:41

Toomanywars · 01/11/2024 05:15

Someone's been watching YouTube conspiracy theorists and is now repeating the mantra 🤣

Edited

Someone gets all their information from the state captured propaganda machine and has never had an independent thought in their life?

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 06:42

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:39

Do people who are dismissing that KS is a ‘commie’ just think he’s not one because ‘he doesn’t look like a communist’ or actually support communism and think Big Government and ‘equity’ is a good idea?
it’s hard to tell

I think that some on this site actually do support communism, the radical far leftist agenda has been pushed for years and years and years in the UK. Some have been slowly ground down into little grey people who will accept any penury or injustice, and they are swimming around in a filthy aquarium, unable to see that there is any other way to think or live.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 06:45

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 04:26

As well as everything else, it is obvious that Keir Starmer wants fewer farmers. It is just that simple. Some say he is punishing them for being right wing voters. But it's actually more simple than that - he is part of the push to control all food sources.

Starmer is a big proponent of the WEF.

The WEF have been blatant about controlling food production and limiting people's right to ownership, inheritance and anything else that might give them agency and power.

The phrase "You'll own nothing and be happy" was part of the WEF's push for communist principles entitled "Welcome to 2030: I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better," published on the WEF's Agenda blog in 2016.

There was a pushback against this because it is blatantly communist, so they stopped trying to push this grim future openly, while still working for it behind closed doors.

Shutting down independent farmers and forcing everyone to rely entirely on the state for whatever food they choose to offer you is right from the communist playbook. If you control the food at a state level you control the people.

The WEF plans for you to eat insects instead of beef and have been blatant about controlling food production, they want you to believe that eating insects will contribute to food security and be good for the environment.

The EU has approved certain insect species for human consumption, thanks to the WEF.

Starting from October 2024 in England and Wales, all poultry keepers will be required to register their birds with the Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA), regardless of the number of birds they own. They claim this is to prevent disease.

Starmer supports the WEF openly.

But don't worry, those at the top of course will continue to have plenty of power, be gifted clothes, holidays, have plenty of money and food choices and the freedom to travel.

Just like the Politburo of old.

At, at the height of the Cold War, Keir Starmer was the secretary and editor for a Trotskyite magazine, called Socialist Alternatives, a full on communist magazine specifically linked to the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT).

The magazine served as a platform for Marxist thought and was described as having a Trotskyist orientation. He was 24 when he did this, well and truly old enough to know better and to have his political beliefs well and truly planted.

He also spent a summer at a Czechoslovakian work camp aged 23. The Czechoslovakian secret police, known as the StB (Státní bezpečnost), used the camps to gather intelligence, monitor foreign participants and find people who might be of interest to the Communist party and they were particularly interested in profiling bright and ambitious young people from Western countries, with the hope that they could be useful in various capacities in the future.

But hey, I'm sure he just went to the communist work camp for a bit of jolly good fun and just edited a communist mag for shits and giggles, I suppose.

Surely he's not obviously and definitely a communist sympathiser pushing communist principles.

PS, dear hysterical mumsnetters - communism is a bad thing. Being anti communist is a good thing no matter how often you scream FASCIST!!!!

And claiming this is a conspiracy theory would make you seem quite stupid - I am literally just relaying facts and none of this is a secret. It's just that most people don't seem to have joined the dots.

Again, none of this is remotely difficult information to find. It's all been openly admitted to, there are literally records of everything I have stated.

If you actually think that stating facts makes you a conspiracy theorist, bot or plant you are well past any help.

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:51

NoCarbsForMe · 01/11/2024 06:41

Not hard to tell when Tory HQ are posting though is it!

That is so lame. Honestly you think at 6.45am someone from Tory HQ is posting?
how do you get to this conclusion?

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:55

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 06:42

I think that some on this site actually do support communism, the radical far leftist agenda has been pushed for years and years and years in the UK. Some have been slowly ground down into little grey people who will accept any penury or injustice, and they are swimming around in a filthy aquarium, unable to see that there is any other way to think or live.

I hate to say it but I think it’s true - women are also more likely to support communism too. The idealistic equity and everyone being treated ‘fairly’ is appealing to women, I flirted with it in my past, I get the appeal,

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 07:05

NoCarbsForMe · 01/11/2024 06:41

Not hard to tell when Tory HQ are posting though is it!

Why say that? The pp has been around for a while. It’s a bit tedious Labour posters use this still got any post they disagree with

SquaredShoulders · 01/11/2024 07:24

I love the (bonkers) notion of Keith the Kommunist! The rustle of tinfoil is deafening.

BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2024 07:56

I honestly thought we were past this red scare nonsense.

anyone who thinks Starmer is a communist needs to read up on both political theory and history.