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Labour has proved yet again that it hates employers/business.

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 31/10/2024 06:39

Don't be surprised when your local pubs, restaurants, hairdressers etc close up shop.
Don't be surprised if your employer can't fund your next payrise, because their NI bill has increased. Workers will indirectly pay for these increases; employers don't have magic money trees.
I work for an employer that has charitable status. We work to improve the lives of others but now have to look at reducing headcount. Employers are not all fat cats driving Mercs.
BTW, I hate the Tories. This post does not make me a Tory before anyone starts that one.

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hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 07:57

SquaredShoulders · 01/11/2024 07:24

I love the (bonkers) notion of Keith the Kommunist! The rustle of tinfoil is deafening.

What makes you think he doesn't have communist tendencies?

Big State/attacks on capitalism/business - tick
Censorship and control of speech - tick
Abolition of private property - starting to tick (with farmers and arguably by making it harder to buy a house)
Collective welfare, such as schooling, all universal - tick for the attack on private schools
Take freebies yourself while the plebs suffer - tick

There is objectively an underlying communist philosophy to our cuddly little Kier

newnamethanks · 01/11/2024 08:05

Communism is supposed to terrify us so that we welcome our strong men fascist protectors. Thanks, I'll pass on that.

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 08:11

newnamethanks · 01/11/2024 08:05

Communism is supposed to terrify us so that we welcome our strong men fascist protectors. Thanks, I'll pass on that.

What on earth are you talking about? The opposite is a small state, low taxation, and liberty. Not a protector. Far from a protector, the literal opposite.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 08:18

SquaredShoulders · 01/11/2024 07:24

I love the (bonkers) notion of Keith the Kommunist! The rustle of tinfoil is deafening.

double post.

NoCarbsForMe · 01/11/2024 08:19

BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2024 07:56

I honestly thought we were past this red scare nonsense.

anyone who thinks Starmer is a communist needs to read up on both political theory and history.

Then they'd have to read big words.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 08:20

SquaredShoulders · 01/11/2024 07:24

I love the (bonkers) notion of Keith the Kommunist! The rustle of tinfoil is deafening.

I gave you facts.

Starmer literally edited a communist Trotskyist magazine aged 24 and he literally went to a communist work camp which was well known for sourcing up and coming useful people. He literally espouses WEF ideas.

The WEF literally and actually said "You will own nothing and be happy" in 2016 in the piece "Welcome to 2030 I own nothing have no privacy and life has never been better.

They also said "a handful of countries will dominate" because they are pushing for one global order. This is not a secret.

They also stated "you will eat much less meat it will be a treat not a staple".

These are their own words.

You used to be able to find the link here to their article https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/welcome-to-2030-i-own-nothing-have-no-privacy-and-life-has-never-been-better/

They have now memory holed it because the push back on open borders, owning nothing and inheriting nothing was enormous. But you can still watch the video they made to back the article on Twitter (now you will accuse me of trying to foist a weird link on you) because you really really don't want to know the truth.

https://x.com/sophiadahl1/status/1617377588212600832

Starmer wants less farmers and is regulating people who want to own chicken.

The WEF wants control of people's food.

The founder and head of the World Economic Forum and architect of the Great Reset, Klaus Schwab is shown in his office with a bust of Lenin in the background.

https://x.com/MahyarTousi/status/1792922902511124941

He did not resign, as some thought he was going to, he is still in charge and will be moving into the role of chairman of the Board of Trustees by January 2025.

The WEF leader stated that "the Chinese model is certainly a very attractive model for quite a number of countries"
https://blog.independent.org/2022/12/01/klaus-schwab-china/

The WEF agenda is a communist agenda headed by a communist.

Starmer supports WEF.

These are facts.

I understand that they are not facts that make you feel happy or safe, so I understand your mockery. Once, I thought they were just conspiracy theories too.

x.com

https://x.com/sophiadahl1/status/1617377588212600832

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 08:26

The usual suspects on are here to argue, troll, bicker and mock for whatever they get out of that. It's just too important to me that people understand what is actually happening. So I have posted verifiable facts.

If you don't want to accept those facts, I don't blame you. It's pretty terrifying when you start to join the dots.

I won't enter into any arguments with any of you on this. Again, this is just too important. I know I have made you think, and every time you post a sneering, mocking jibe I know you are trying to shut up the frightening reality that's seeping in.

I was you once, I get it. There's nothing to be gained by bickering with you, so that's me out.

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 08:28

@dontbedaft2000

I can only conclude that posters dismissing that he has communist ideologies are communist sympathisers themselves, which is fine, each to their own.

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 08:33

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 08:28

@dontbedaft2000

I can only conclude that posters dismissing that he has communist ideologies are communist sympathisers themselves, which is fine, each to their own.

I think some do, certainly. And I think some are just not ready yet to hear the truth. It's far easier and more comforting to mock and jibe than face the pretty frightening facts. I know, once upon a time I dismissed these ideas, did not know about WEF or any of the threads spinning out from WEF.

To be honest, I'd rather still be blind to it all - but once you know, you know.

GoldenPheasant · 01/11/2024 08:33

Starmer literally edited a communist Trotskyist magazine aged 24 and he literally went to a communist work camp which was well known for sourcing up and coming useful people. He literally espouses WEF ideas.

The WEF does not espouse communist ideas. It's a nonsense to suggest that people's political views in their early 20s are cemented for life. Look at the way Churchill swapped parties, for instance.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 01/11/2024 08:37

Yawn. Can you stop derailing the thread?

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dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 08:41

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 01/11/2024 08:37

Yawn. Can you stop derailing the thread?

Yawn. There's no such thing as derailing a thread on an open opinion site, you're not in charge of people's words or conversations, you don't own the site, you don't have any rights to silence anyone - you're just a pleb like everyone else who wants to mouth off just exactly like everyone else 😅

But having said that, I have stated all the facts that I need to state and made people think, so you do you. Ciao!

cooliebrown · 01/11/2024 08:48

If this budget contained the only measures the government are going to take then maybe that would be a big problem for some businesses.

However, and just as one example, the Labour manifesto said that they would introduce legislation to ensure that business-to-business invoices get paid on time.

Also, well over half of Universal Credit claimants are working - so there are an awful lot of businesses having their wages bill subsidised by the taxpayer as it is, and that's not about to change.

Whenim63 · 01/11/2024 09:03

hamstersarse · 31/10/2024 22:23

I suspect the butchers on this thread is turning over half a million

Agree. It’s highly unlikely that any butcher would pass the threshold for audited accounts which would show profit in the year. But if the general public don’t know the difference between turnover and profit, it’s no wonder so many people seem to think all businesses are making a fortune!!

MonkeyToHeaven · 01/11/2024 09:11

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 04:26

As well as everything else, it is obvious that Keir Starmer wants fewer farmers. It is just that simple. Some say he is punishing them for being right wing voters. But it's actually more simple than that - he is part of the push to control all food sources.

Starmer is a big proponent of the WEF.

The WEF have been blatant about controlling food production and limiting people's right to ownership, inheritance and anything else that might give them agency and power.

The phrase "You'll own nothing and be happy" was part of the WEF's push for communist principles entitled "Welcome to 2030: I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better," published on the WEF's Agenda blog in 2016.

There was a pushback against this because it is blatantly communist, so they stopped trying to push this grim future openly, while still working for it behind closed doors.

Shutting down independent farmers and forcing everyone to rely entirely on the state for whatever food they choose to offer you is right from the communist playbook. If you control the food at a state level you control the people.

The WEF plans for you to eat insects instead of beef and have been blatant about controlling food production, they want you to believe that eating insects will contribute to food security and be good for the environment.

The EU has approved certain insect species for human consumption, thanks to the WEF.

Starting from October 2024 in England and Wales, all poultry keepers will be required to register their birds with the Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA), regardless of the number of birds they own. They claim this is to prevent disease.

Starmer supports the WEF openly.

But don't worry, those at the top of course will continue to have plenty of power, be gifted clothes, holidays, have plenty of money and food choices and the freedom to travel.

Just like the Politburo of old.

At, at the height of the Cold War, Keir Starmer was the secretary and editor for a Trotskyite magazine, called Socialist Alternatives, a full on communist magazine specifically linked to the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT).

The magazine served as a platform for Marxist thought and was described as having a Trotskyist orientation. He was 24 when he did this, well and truly old enough to know better and to have his political beliefs well and truly planted.

He also spent a summer at a Czechoslovakian work camp aged 23. The Czechoslovakian secret police, known as the StB (Státní bezpečnost), used the camps to gather intelligence, monitor foreign participants and find people who might be of interest to the Communist party and they were particularly interested in profiling bright and ambitious young people from Western countries, with the hope that they could be useful in various capacities in the future.

But hey, I'm sure he just went to the communist work camp for a bit of jolly good fun and just edited a communist mag for shits and giggles, I suppose.

Surely he's not obviously and definitely a communist sympathiser pushing communist principles.

PS, dear hysterical mumsnetters - communism is a bad thing. Being anti communist is a good thing no matter how often you scream FASCIST!!!!

And claiming this is a conspiracy theory would make you seem quite stupid - I am literally just relaying facts and none of this is a secret. It's just that most people don't seem to have joined the dots.

Fewer farmers? That's what capitalism has already delivered.

Controlling food sources? That'll be the likes of Bayer, the owners of what was Monsanto.

If you look at the 17 goals produced for the Agenda 2030 by the WEF and signed up to by 193 UN states. One which suggests rather than replacing meat with insects, that states should aim to double agricultural productivity. This specifically includes meat production, referring to pastoralists, fishers and the importance of maintaining genetic diversity for “farmed and domesticated animals”.

I'm not sure why you're so hostile to their stated global objectives, such as reducing inequality, ending world hunger and ensuring access to clean energy for all. None of objectives are enforceable, all rely on independent states to come up with their own solutions and it's explicitly stated that "democracy, good governance and the rule of law”, at the national and international levels, are essential for sustainable development.

Now, if you had mentioned Starmer's membership of the Trilateral Commission as concerning you might have been onto something. As opposed to the WEF, they are highly secretive and its meetings are off the record. Many members of US intelligence served alongside Starmer on the Trilateral Commission, including 2 former heads of the CIA and they're decidedly ambiguous in terms of democracy.

At the height of the Cold War, the early 1980s, Starmer was a lefty student, Farage was a fan of Hitler and Lee Anderson was a Thatcher hating socialist and Yaxley-Lennon a BNP supporter. I think you're over reaching somewhat.

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030%20Agenda%20for%20Sustainable%20Development%20web.pdf#page=19

dogcatbird · 01/11/2024 09:13

As a small business owner i'm more than happy to support the economy through tax and NI payments.

BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2024 09:23

@dontbedaft2000 that was 30 years ago. Do you still wear the same clothes, eat the same food, listen to the same music, have the same beliefs you had 30 years ago?

Can you point to a single Trotskyist policy now? Do you even know what Trotskyism is?

or are you going to just trot out the same c&p nonsense in this this yet again?

liverpudcounsel · 01/11/2024 10:08

StarSlinger · 31/10/2024 07:27

Have minimum wage workers not had higher energy, rent,mortgage and food costs?

Raising minimum wage increases the costs for employers who WILL pass this on, the consequences are goods become more expensive and hence we have increasing inflation.
The minimum wage worker is no better off. Couple this with personal allowance being frozen, that “extra pay” is taxed anyway, so the goods increase more than the net increase pay for the NMW worker.

Toomanywars · 01/11/2024 11:21

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 06:41

Someone gets all their information from the state captured propaganda machine and has never had an independent thought in their life?

😂 predictable response. 🙄

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/11/2024 11:28

Well this thread has gone off down a rabbit hole 😁

Toomanywars · 01/11/2024 11:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/11/2024 11:28

Well this thread has gone off down a rabbit hole 😁

I wish the conspiracy types who think they are the only ones who have ideas and thoughts would stop parroting stock phrases from YouTube!

Eg.. 'You will own nothing and be happy'

'You are all sheep/sheeple', 'you have no independent thoughts', 'all your information comes from state Sponsored MSM', 'everyone is asleep ' (well apart from the ones who think they are awake of course). None of that is independent just parroting phrases .

twomanyfrogsinabox · 01/11/2024 11:38

StarSlinger · 31/10/2024 07:27

Have minimum wage workers not had higher energy, rent,mortgage and food costs?

And so have businesses had to cope with all of those, heating and lighting of premises, increases in raw materials and products, fuel price rises. And the ones that managed to survive all that get this budget to contend with. The final nail for many businesses and what happens to the workers then? No extra tax on their wages just no job.

samarrange · 01/11/2024 12:11

Anyone else nearly got a line on their Conspiracy Bingo card? I just need chemtrails.

MonkeyToHeaven · 01/11/2024 12:57

dontbedaft2000 · 01/11/2024 06:42

I think that some on this site actually do support communism, the radical far leftist agenda has been pushed for years and years and years in the UK. Some have been slowly ground down into little grey people who will accept any penury or injustice, and they are swimming around in a filthy aquarium, unable to see that there is any other way to think or live.

Radical far leftist? That's my idiot conspiracy loon bingo card full.

It was radicals that got all men to have the vote (universal manhood suffrage) that abolished property qualification for becoming a Member of Parliament, that got women the vote. It was radicals that won you a weekend, paid holidays, sick leave, the NHS, social housing, free education for life etc.

You're a useful idiot spouting ahistorical alt-pop soundbites that simply serve the interests of the ruling elites.

Nobody needs to imagine what it would be like to live in a society where there were no protections from the boom and bust of capitalism, no welfare state, no worker's rights, it's part of our history.

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 13:44

The thread has 'gone off the rails' because there is an attempt to understand why, as the title says, this government made an attack on businesses (and not 'working people')

No one seems to explain how KS is not a bit of a communist, instead they just call people conspiracy theorists and do their LOLs. So without calling someone a name, can anyone explain how this budget does not represent a hint of communist philosophies?

The WEF issue is that KS literally said he puts WEF ahead of Westminster. I genuinely think that is troubling, but again, each to their own. WEF have some funny ideas in my opinion, and the "you will own nothing and be happy" is one of them, and KS saying he puts the globe above us as a country means he is literally in the wrong job

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