Labour has proved yet again that it hates employers/business.

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Don't be surprised when your local pubs, restaurants, hairdressers etc close up shop.
Don't be surprised if your employer can't fund your next payrise, because their NI bill has increased. Workers will indirectly pay for these increases; employers don't have magic money trees.
I work for an employer that has charitable status. We work to improve the lives of others but now have to look at reducing headcount. Employers are not all fat cats driving Mercs.
BTW, I hate the Tories. This post does not make me a Tory before anyone starts that one.

You know the phrase was from a still of a presentation about a piece written by Danish author speculating on a future in the year 2030, based on an event where FridgeFlix", a startup that would allow users to lease all of their household appliances from a provider that would also service and upgrade these appliances. It wasn't a policy statement.

Auken didn't even claim the essay was a vision of their idea of Utopia. To claim otherwise is ludicrous

I've already pointed you to Agenda 2030, where there's no mention of removing individual ownership or private property.

You may as well base your fears on a still from the film version of 1984.

Starmer purged the left in Labour, including many social Democrats, losing over 100,000 members in the process. He was invited to join the secretive Trilateral Commision, an avowdly capitalist group of the World's elites.

Starmer's courted corporate donors, alienated Trade Unions, has links to Private Healthcare etc, he isn't a communist. Even at his most radical his idea of socialism was for participatory socialism and he rejected State Socialism.

But he is a supporter of the state. After he was hired to advise the Policing Board of Northern Ireland on its compliance with the Human Rights Act he moved away from a grassroots politics. As DPP, his most significant action was the remaking the CPS as a tool of Anglo-American foreign policy.

Hardly the actions of a commie.

The same people claiming Starmer is a WEF puppet were making the same claims about Sunak.

There are plenty of real conspiracies you could occupy yourself with and you shoukd be suspicious of the WEF. They are funded by Multinational corporations, usually with a turnover of at least five billion dollars. Not by revolutionary Marxists.

And the Conservatives hate everyone else, so...

In 1994 Liz Truss called for the abolition of the monarchy.

Then she became Prime Minister, and within three days the Queen was dead. 😲

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly the WEF infiltrated MI5 and allowed this to happen. Why oh why can nobody but me see this obvious connection?

Indeed. Yet some still spout the same old nonsense. 🤔

Wasn't the economy good under Tony Blair? Strong and stable growth from 1997 to 2007. Low and stable inflation. A fall in poverty

It was.
The NHS was well funded under Tony Blair too.

But everyone remembers him.for the Iraq war

It was the boom cycle before the bust which brought a very deep recession

So I guess we'll see what Labour do this time with high taxes and debt

Plus I don't think Blair went after businesses in the same way

Was it? The recession was due to the GFC which wasn't really Gordon Brown's fault?

Yes it was the boom before the bust, it was still linked to the US but a boom nonetheless which then crashed.

We had high risk exposure with the FS here but it started with the sub prime market in the US

We have a different context now, high debt and high taxes and Blair didn't go for businesses, no PFI and not really a boom. The latter depends a bit on China, ME and US and how it all goes

@EasternStandard No PFI under Blair? Do you mean no Private Finance Initiative? If so, that’s not correct.

Agree Blair and Mandelson understood business. As the businessman, Tom Hunter, said on Question Time last night “There is no economy in the world that has taxed its way to economic growth”. Unfortunately recent governments don’t get it.

There’s a clear misunderstanding that the NHS produces growth in the economy on its own. It helps with growth but if it costs more than the tax economic growth produces, it’s a negative. That’s why RR has borrowed! It’s a black hole and Labour know it is. It’s business and their employees that fund this country. Taxing small businesses to a standstill won’t produce any growth worth measuring . IFS agrees.

No that list was what we don't have now, including PFI

So no boom now, no PFI now but high debt and high taxes, we did have PFI under Blair you're right

Yes agree with the rest of your post, it's a madness. I was listening to a piece on how other countries get growth and scaling up, it was incentives not higher taxes like this

It was. He well and truly ruined his legacy with Iraq

So the economic growth of 1997-2007 was just part of a cycle and not due to the economic policies of Gordon Brown as Chancellor?

I think we had high risk exposure which meant we really did well in the boom stage, but really hit hard in the bust part.

The boom was mostly to do with the US but I'm sure there were some policies which were useful, for a start an absence of 'tax the rich' from a Labour gov. Blair didn't really do that, no higher top rate tax, no getting rid of non doms, no going for private schools or businesses, he knew you needed to keep the people paying onside

I don't think this Labour gov is following that with current situation. Plus PFI is off the table (not that it was good)

I am so bloody tired off/ pissed off with these threads and phone ins on various radio stations. Our infrastructure is totally fucked. We had 15 years of financial mismagememt starting with austerity, then brexit, then covid and post covid Tory shite which pretends to be about the every day person but is all about benefitting their business mates. The standards Labour are being held to when the last government got away with so much (they actually partied when in lock down and people could not visit their dying partner/BJ funded wall paper) is laughable.

Labour had been in power for 3 months yet has managed to deliver a grown up budget addressing the reality the country finds itself in. Things will not change overnight . Tax for the average working person under the last government was not particularly low but was any of it invested in our infrastructure? I am a hated public sector worker (experienced child protection SW of 2 decades) and I worked without a pay increase for years in a service that has had massive cuts whilst having to outsource placements to private companies- very often costing £10000 a week upwards. The cost of child protection is making councils bankrupt, it has effectively been privatised.

Businesses are all moaning about increases yet ignore how a positive change in infrastructure will also benefit them- it is not only one way. Every time the minimum wage increases it is the same thing, however people on minimum wage usually spend locally and therefore there is an uplift in the community. Business owners are the ones to find loopholes and invest elsewhere.

I remember him for his PFI addiction. You can see his influence on Starmer in the latest budget too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-blair-gordon-brown-carillion-capita-financial-crash-a8202661.html?origin=serp_auto

It’s not a grown up budget to attack farms and business. It’s these that deliver growth. Not public services. It’s more about settling scores and backing the unions. It’s actually student politics and no economist anyone listens to thinks this will drive productivity and growth, it’s a big dose of taxation to attack the perceived rich.

They have had years to think about nhs reforms but they want more time. Instead they pour money in and there’s no reform happening to justify it.

Just popped back to remind everyone that Starmer has always sympathised with Communists and is actually and literally making moves from the Commie playbook, destroying private food production, destroying inheritance, destroying ability to own anything, heaping on more taxes, making it difficult for kids to be educated unless the state has full control.

People mocking this reality are scared. I understand that. That's why I am completely ignoring your attempts at sneering and calmly just re posting facts.

Starmer literally edited a communist Trotskyist magazine aged 24. Well and TRULY old enough to know better.

Aged 23, at the height of the Cold War, Starmer attended a communist work camp. Reports indicate that Starmer's name appeared in files maintained by the Czechoslovakian secret police, known as the StB (Státní bezpečnost). The camp is alleged to have been used by the Czechoslovakian secret police (StB) to identify and groom promising young individuals for potential roles within the communist system. Such programs were not uncommon during the Cold War as regimes sought to cultivate loyalty among the youth

Starmer openly supports WEF and has been to several of their meetings.
Under Starmer's leadership, the Labour Party has actively participated in the WEF meetings in Davos and he sent senior party members, including Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves and Shadow Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds, to these high-profile events.

The founder of WEF Klaus Schwab has a statue of Lenin in his study. He stated outright of communist China "the Chinese model is certainly a very attractive model for quite a number of countries"

https://x.com/MahyarTousi/status/1792922902511124941

He will be moving into role of chairman of the Board of Trustees by January 2025.

https://blog.independent.org/2022/12/01/klaus-schwab-china/

The WEF literally and actually said "You will own nothing and be happy" in 2016 in the piece entitled "Welcome to 2030 I own nothing have no privacy and life has never been better.

WEF has stated "a handful of countries will dominate" because they are pushing for one global order. This is not a secret.

They have stated that people must find a way to welcome all immigrants and are pushing for fully open borders under one global government.

This is not a secret.

The WEF control of your food - control food supply, control everyone.

So does Starmer, who is forcing anyone who owns a chicken in England and Wales to report it to a regulatory authority and is trying to force farmers out of business.

They also stated "you will eat much less meat it will be a treat not a staple".
These are their own words.

You used to be able to find the link here to their article https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/welcome-to-2030-i-own-nothing-have-no-privacy-and-life-has-never-been-better/

They have now memory holed it because the push back on open borders, owning nothing and inheriting nothing was enormous.

But you can still watch the video they made to back the article on Twitter (now you will accuse me of trying to foist a weird link on you) because you really really don't want to know the truth.

https://x.com/sophiadahl1/status/1617377588212600832

The WEF openly supports communist beliefs and idealogies.

Starmer supports WEF.

These are facts.

I understand that they are not facts that make you feel happy or safe, so I understand your mockery. It won't change reality however.

Oh yeah and the WEF are keen for you to eat insects. They say it's for food security 😆

Since 2021, several species, including yellow mealworms, migratory locusts, and house crickets, have received authorization for human consumption in various forms such as dried and powdered by the EU - and in January 2023, the EU approved the sale of crickets and larvae for human consumption in powdered and dried forms.

Life under a communist regime. What a treat. No farms, no homes, no inheritance, no escape from state schooling, no travel, no escape and no hope. You will own nothing and be happy.

But at least you can eat insects.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/edible-insects-european-union
https://vb.nweurope.eu/projects/project-search/valusect/news/edible-insects-on-the-eu-market/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/28/government-backed-research-centre-public-insects-lab-grown/#:~:text=Public%20will%20get%20bug%20for%20eating%20insects%20under%20Government%2Dbacked%20drive&text=A%20research%20centre%20backed%20by,more%20palatable%20to%20the%20public.

Our infrastructure is largely “fucked” because there’s too much pressure on it. The NHS is not a model capable of supporting the sheer numbers or more importantly the treatments now available. It’s a money pit. The problems of the NHS will not be solved with pumping increasing public funds into it.

Globalisation has taken away this country’s self sufficiency, We need to sort out the illegal immigration- so far this year the equivalent of the entire population of Stratford upon Avon has landed on these shores. This happens year after year. Every 10 years a city the size of Nottingham will arrive in dinghies - it’s unsustainable. We need to bring back more manufacturing and food production here. This Budget damages the prospect of both.

Competing rather than cohesive cultures are tearing apart the fabric of society. This Governing have scared people away from discussing this very important issue.

We are happily dumbing down the population, through the educational system, media and entertainment. This Government want all education under their control. They want social media under their control.

These are some of the real issues that need tackling.

Excellent piece in The Times this morning about how the NI and minimum wage increases will affect GPs and Nursing homes. Expected average cost of the rises £40k per GP surgery, likely resulting in closures or much reduced services. Some care homes expected to close adding to pressure on NHS.

I highly expect home schooling to come under attack at some point. I wonder if people can't see what’s happening or don’t want to.

Yes BBC have a good article on GPs too

Not much on care homes but given how much an issue this is already surely it will be a big problem. Do councils have to cover the increased prices too?

GPS don’t actually have to go out and find work for their employees. It comes to them, as a result it’s not like other businesses. I’m not pro business GPs either. Out GP surgery is part of three surgeries. They all need to get tother and reduce costs. We have different specialisms in different surgeries. The state could just take them back if it’s all too difficult.

My experience of groups if GPs is a massive decline in service. What do you mean BACK under state control. We need the Government, esp this Government far less involved - although this Budget is obviously designed to damage private enterprise and therefore choice and competition and bring all aspects of society under more state control. Anyone who tjijj be s this is a good idea is deluded and poorly educated or extremely gullible