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Our sibling’s engagement

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:26

What would you do and how would you feel in this situation? Have name changed for this thread.

Three siblings all living in London. Two of us have been here for quite some time. One has only been here a few months. We are all what I’d consider pretty close. Especially the two of us that have been here longer. They’re not just my sibling but my friend, confident and my absolute rock in hard times. He’s had my back and got me through some terrible times in my life. Financial, emotional, all of it. Our kids are best friends. We lost our younger sister last year to suicide in a horrific way which has brought us all closer and I really thought it made us treasure what we have left even more than before.

Our youngest sibling got engaged. I woke up to a lovely picture of the proposal and a message announcing their engagement. He also contacted all of my children and my husband to share the news.

As much as I love my younger brother, he is narcissistic, arrogant, can be very sly and gossipy. We’ve always just let it go because he’s been through trauma too and we know it’s some sort of trauma response. None of us are perfect.

Saying that, causing dissension is something I cannot abide by because that’s what our father did to us all of our lives. Playing everyone off against each other. He was abusive and also a narcissist. We are all no contact with him. Our sister took her life because she had BPD from our horrific childhood. Just wanted to share this all so I don’t drip feed.

ANYWAY, my brother did not share the news of his engagement with our older brother for absolutely no apparent reason. He told my entire immediate family but did not share the news with my brother and his family. I waited all day hoping he’d share the news himself but he didn’t. He then proceeded to share the news with the world publicly on Social media. FB and Instagram. So did his fiancé. They did this before telling my brother themselves.

Of course our older brother is hurt, angry and confused. As is his wife and their children. They just don’t understand why he would do this? It’s now caused a rift and before anyone comes at me, this does involve me, my older brother has gone out of his way to defend me and stand by me when people have done or said things to hurt me.

What’s even more puzzling is that something happened three weeks ago that caused a bit of a spat between my younger brother and I. He’s kept in contact with our older brother while we’ve been trying to figure it all out. There is nothing more to this. The only thing we can think of is that my younger brother wanted my older brother to turn his back on me during a rough time with my MH. Wanted to do a “tough love” approach. I have CPTSD and Cyclothymia and have difficult episodes with my MH. My older brother refused to turn his back on me and this might have pissed our younger brother off. That’s the only thing we can think of!

How would you respond to this? How would you feel? Of course we haven’t called him out on it because they’re still on their engagement holiday so we’re waiting for them to get back home. I want to stand up for the person who has always stood by me. This is going to cause such a major rift it has to be addressed by everyone IMO. Little brother does not like being called out on his behaviour so I know this won’t end well. His gaslighting skills and turning himself into the victim are pretty impressive.

I can’t just stay out of it because it’s going to have a huge knock on effect on our whole family. And like I said, I have to stand by the person who has always stood by me. Stood up for me when I’ve needed him.

Thoughts?

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Farfarout · 28/10/2024 13:32

I wouldn't do anything. Stay friends with big brother. You've all been through a lot, which is hard to unpick, so don't expect 'normal' from little brother. What will arguing with a narcissist achieve?

ChampaignSupernova · 28/10/2024 13:35

I don't think calling him out on it is the way to go. A private discussion between brothers of "Congratulations again on your engagement. Is there a reason you didn't tell me prior to the social media post?" is all that's needed. Little brother will either say some made up reason or the truth. What ever he says older brother should accept what reason he gives and respond in a calm way just saying he felt hurt his brother didn't tell him 121 but understand it's his choice who he tells and how. He can then reconsider how their relationship will look going forward

giveituplucy12 · 28/10/2024 13:42

" this has to be addressed by everyone IMO".

What if you didn't? Other than doing perhaps what @ChampaignSupernova suggests, a respectful " congrats, why didn't you tell me" from your older brother, wouldn't it make sense to just leave it? Especially if he is narcissistic and may be looking for a reaction. I would think it best if not everyone got involved actually (other than big brother, if he must).

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:42

@ChampaignSupernova that is a very level headed response and sound advice. Thank you.

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ObtuseMoose · 28/10/2024 13:45

I'm so sorry about your sister, that must have been horrific for you all.
As for your brother, I think you're all expecting too much from someone you know is a narcissist and a troublemaker. Leave him to his own devices and let your older brother manage his own relationship with him, this isn't really a situation where you need to stand up for him.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:48

@giveituplucy12 You’re right. He does want a response. We know him too well to know this was completely calculated. He turned his back on me when I really needed all the support I could get and by giving me this news he knew I would respond and “win” me back somehow but also cause a rift. Older brother has decided he wants to go no contact which is why I want to try fix it if I can. I’ve always been the fixer in the family, or at least thought I had to be. I want to address it to try salvage what’s now left in tatters by this. But I hear you. If they go no contact with each other it’s going to cause so much resentment between everyone. Effing hate this.

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:49

We’ve lost so much I just want us to be ok. I can’t handle anymore hurt.

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DaftyLass · 28/10/2024 13:56

If you don't want any more losses, help your older brother to work through this without it being a big thing,

Ella31 · 28/10/2024 13:56

You have all been through so much and I'm so sorry for your loss, so my first advice would be to take a step back breathe and just process. I know how much you want to help but you have so much going on as well. Be there to listen to your older brother but don't get dragged in, if that makes sense. Again I'm so sorry for your loss xxx

giveituplucy12 · 28/10/2024 13:58

If you are the fixer in the family, then this is going to be really tough on you. But if you've tried to fix things in the past, and younger brother still acts like this, it's not really working, is it? I don't mean that as harsh as it sounds, because you are a good person to try and fix things. But what if you surprised them all and stepped back? They could even be subconsciously thinking "good old LondonLass24, she'll sort this". If you do not get involved, you might set a good boundary that says " you can't just behave badly and leave me to sort the mess. YOU are responsible for your own behaviour and fixing your own relationships". It will be hard, and take some practice, because it's hard not getting dragged back in, but it will be worth it.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:59

@ObtuseMoose Thank you so much ❤️ You are right. He was just so good to me when I was at rock bottom, I just wanted to return the favour and show him I have his back too. His support has given me strength that I never knew I had, which includes standing up for myself and those I love. But really, what is the point of even talking to a narcissist? I’ve had two decades of mistreatment from him. Part of me just wants to walk away too. He doesn’t add much value to my life if I’m honest. After losing a sibling I just thought I needed to hold on tighter than ever before despite their faults.

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Onlyonekenobe · 28/10/2024 13:59

I'm sorry for the loss of your sister.

Honestly? You are three people with three different ideas of the relationships you want to have and do have with each other. In the matrix of relationships, there's maybe one in which both parties see things the same way.

You can't fix this. You're three people with spouses/fiances - that's 6 people to consider. You're not children any more. Every adult is allowed to make their own choices, and every adult is allowed to respond to those as they see fit.

You need to let go. This is a normal part of growing up. Siblings who are this enmeshed, at this age, when you're all married and have children: there will be constant drama. Constant. I get why you want to be close and feel you should be. But it's not realistic and you're not reasonable in having an expectation that it should be.

Loosen the bonds. Move forward with your lives as each of you see fit. All that matters is that you love each other and that, when needs must, you're there for each other. Minutiae (such as who tells who which information first) are unimportant and, as you are seeing, cause more problems than they warrant. There may come a time later in life when you are able to be closer again, but now isn't it (clearly).

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:01

@Ella31 Thank you so very much for your kind words 💔❤️

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Completelyjo · 28/10/2024 14:02

Its really abnormal for the brother’s wife and children to be upset they weren’t told about the engagement personally.

This such an over the top reaction from a you and your whole family imo. The brother still told his brother about the engagement. I’m sure they had plenty of family and friends to work through and called everyone when it was suitable for both sides.

Ella31 · 28/10/2024 14:04

Completelyjo · 28/10/2024 14:02

Its really abnormal for the brother’s wife and children to be upset they weren’t told about the engagement personally.

This such an over the top reaction from a you and your whole family imo. The brother still told his brother about the engagement. I’m sure they had plenty of family and friends to work through and called everyone when it was suitable for both sides.

That's ridiculous. You would always tell immediate family first.

Ella31 · 28/10/2024 14:05

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:01

@Ella31 Thank you so very much for your kind words 💔❤️

Take care of yourself. You mentioned your mh and that is so important right now. You'll be no help to anyone if you aren't good to yourself. Xxx

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:05

@giveituplucy12 You are absolutely right. As hard as it will be you are right. I will take a step back and watch it unfold. I’m itching to “fix” it but I’m also tired of the constant drama. My older brother has my unwavering support and I know from experience that the worst thing you can do to a narcissist is just not take the bait. So that is what I shall do.

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:07

@Completelyjo sorry, I don’t agree. You don’t tell the world before telling your immediate family. You just don’t. Who does that?

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Heidi00 · 28/10/2024 14:08

I think you need to let this one go. I know you want to fix it but don't get yourself involved. Your brothers have their own relationship, it's on them.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:08

@Onlyonekenobe very wise words and a lot to think about there. Thank you so much.

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commonground · 28/10/2024 14:09

Of course our older brother is hurt, angry and confused. As is his wife and their children.

Really? That seems a little over dramatic - from the wife and kids also?!

A breezy response of 'congrats, how lovely!' from the older brother in response to a SM post would have taken the heat out of the whole situation.

niadainud · 28/10/2024 14:12

This sounds very complicated. Is the issue that your older brother has a problem with your younger brother being gay?

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:13

@commonground big brother is not on social media at all and was told by a friend who is. My daughter and niece are exactly the same age. My daughter’s message said, “name is finally going to be your real aunty and we can’t wait have you and younger daughter” walk down the aisle with us. Can you imagine how hurtful that is to my other niece? SIL has been our SIL for 25 years. Took younger brother in as a teen, fed him, clothed him, brother gave him a job. Paid for his visa to move to this country. She’s more than “just” a SIL to us. She is my sister. Our family.

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Miniopolis · 28/10/2024 14:14

The way to support your older brother is by not trying to coerce him into contact if he’s decided no contact.

Also, your little brother does want to be called out on it because he’s done it for the attention. Otherwise he wouldn’t have done it all. He likely wants to cause a rift between you and your older brother as he likely rightly perceives that you have a stronger relationship, so don’t collude with him on that. You can’t fix him. You run the risk of ruining the good relationship with your older brother.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:15

@niadainud no 😂 his fiancé is a woman.

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