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Our sibling’s engagement

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:26

What would you do and how would you feel in this situation? Have name changed for this thread.

Three siblings all living in London. Two of us have been here for quite some time. One has only been here a few months. We are all what I’d consider pretty close. Especially the two of us that have been here longer. They’re not just my sibling but my friend, confident and my absolute rock in hard times. He’s had my back and got me through some terrible times in my life. Financial, emotional, all of it. Our kids are best friends. We lost our younger sister last year to suicide in a horrific way which has brought us all closer and I really thought it made us treasure what we have left even more than before.

Our youngest sibling got engaged. I woke up to a lovely picture of the proposal and a message announcing their engagement. He also contacted all of my children and my husband to share the news.

As much as I love my younger brother, he is narcissistic, arrogant, can be very sly and gossipy. We’ve always just let it go because he’s been through trauma too and we know it’s some sort of trauma response. None of us are perfect.

Saying that, causing dissension is something I cannot abide by because that’s what our father did to us all of our lives. Playing everyone off against each other. He was abusive and also a narcissist. We are all no contact with him. Our sister took her life because she had BPD from our horrific childhood. Just wanted to share this all so I don’t drip feed.

ANYWAY, my brother did not share the news of his engagement with our older brother for absolutely no apparent reason. He told my entire immediate family but did not share the news with my brother and his family. I waited all day hoping he’d share the news himself but he didn’t. He then proceeded to share the news with the world publicly on Social media. FB and Instagram. So did his fiancé. They did this before telling my brother themselves.

Of course our older brother is hurt, angry and confused. As is his wife and their children. They just don’t understand why he would do this? It’s now caused a rift and before anyone comes at me, this does involve me, my older brother has gone out of his way to defend me and stand by me when people have done or said things to hurt me.

What’s even more puzzling is that something happened three weeks ago that caused a bit of a spat between my younger brother and I. He’s kept in contact with our older brother while we’ve been trying to figure it all out. There is nothing more to this. The only thing we can think of is that my younger brother wanted my older brother to turn his back on me during a rough time with my MH. Wanted to do a “tough love” approach. I have CPTSD and Cyclothymia and have difficult episodes with my MH. My older brother refused to turn his back on me and this might have pissed our younger brother off. That’s the only thing we can think of!

How would you respond to this? How would you feel? Of course we haven’t called him out on it because they’re still on their engagement holiday so we’re waiting for them to get back home. I want to stand up for the person who has always stood by me. This is going to cause such a major rift it has to be addressed by everyone IMO. Little brother does not like being called out on his behaviour so I know this won’t end well. His gaslighting skills and turning himself into the victim are pretty impressive.

I can’t just stay out of it because it’s going to have a huge knock on effect on our whole family. And like I said, I have to stand by the person who has always stood by me. Stood up for me when I’ve needed him.

Thoughts?

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sausagesforteaagain · 31/10/2024 20:00

Op it all sounds very hard but it has made me think of the phrase ‘you don’t have to join in every fight you are invited to’

your OB has been invited to a pointless fight. That he can’t ‘win’ coz ‘weddings’ !

grey rock low contact is the way to go with your YB. Let him find his drama hit somewhere else

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 01/11/2024 14:15

Thinking of you.

Have a very similar childhood but my mother took her own life and my brother and me, we don't see eye to eye at all, and it could be easily me writing this!! He has very similar traits to your brother.

I don't think there's much you can do - I am fixer too but also, have MH issues so don't bite off more than I can chew anymore.

Hope you can find a way to sort it whilst also not getting involved.

LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 19:08

@AcrossthePond55 you’re so lovely. Thank you 🥲

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LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 19:10

@FreedomForties your words have really moved me. Thank you so very much ❤️❤️

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LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 19:13

@Unicornsanddiscoballs91I’m so very sorry for your loss 💔 and I’m so sorry about your sibling. I definitely think it’s a trauma response being the “fixer”. We’ve experienced an awful loss that’s altered us tremendously and we try to hold on to what we have with all we’ve got. It’s definitely a behaviour that I hope I will learn to let go of one day soon. Sending you 💐

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LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 19:20

I do have an update. OB finally confronted him. I stayed out of it. But LB somehow still managed to turn it on to me. As if I was to blame because he thought I’d just pass the message on. Which he knows I’d never do because it’s not my place to share that kind of news. So according to him it’s totally my fault that everyone’s feelings are hurt. LB said they are men and men don’t need to share news like that, even though LB messaged my DH who he close to before he even messaged me! Luckily OB stuck up for me and told LB what to go do with himself 😅 I got a horribly abusive message and was told to “have a nice life”. I didn’t even respond. He then started messaging my husband and my 12 year old about how they can thank me for them not being in his wedding anymore. Everyone has just ignored it. I feel an odd sense of freedom. Totally opposite to how I thought I’d feel. I feel liberated ❤️

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FlingThatCarrot · 01/11/2024 19:35

You sound so so drama llama.

I'm guessing there's a decent age gap between oldest and youngest, it's just different communication styles. Maybe he chose to tell you to make up for the recent rift.

This is not a bit deal. They're on holiday and got engaged, I'm sure they told a few people each but wanted to enjoy their time rather than sit on phones for hours sending and replying to messages. I would've just expected you to have passed the news on and your brother to have messaged congratulations I'm very happy for you both etc.

You seem to have managed to turn someone's good news into a massive dramatic all about other people situation.

DoreenonTill8 · 01/11/2024 19:46

FlingThatCarrot · 01/11/2024 19:35

You sound so so drama llama.

I'm guessing there's a decent age gap between oldest and youngest, it's just different communication styles. Maybe he chose to tell you to make up for the recent rift.

This is not a bit deal. They're on holiday and got engaged, I'm sure they told a few people each but wanted to enjoy their time rather than sit on phones for hours sending and replying to messages. I would've just expected you to have passed the news on and your brother to have messaged congratulations I'm very happy for you both etc.

You seem to have managed to turn someone's good news into a massive dramatic all about other people situation.

this.
It's an odd thing for your OB and his family to be so upset about.
Are you in the middle fueling the dissent?
This is going to cause such a major rift it has to be addressed by everyone IMO.
Says who? That's a ridiculously dramatic statement
Does YB know the family blames him for your younger sisters death? He was cruel and so unsupportive of our little sister who took her life because of this behaviour.

mistlethrush · 01/11/2024 19:53

LB is clearly aiming to create as much dissent as he can, even over such a (normally) positive piece of news. Make sure he can't drive a wedge between you and OB, or your daughter and your niece.

I can't believe he blamed you for the lack of your OB getting a message - after all he messaged your DH and daughter - if one niece was messaged, why wasn't the other?

Sounds as though you and OB will be presenting a united front - make sure OB knows that you're supporting him and not going to 'play' in this drama.

LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 20:46

@FlingThatCarrot and @DoreenonTill8 what lovely, sheltered lives you both must live. How wonderful that you don’t know what it’s like to love and support someone with BPD who has been utterly destroyed by narcissists and then have them die by their own hand, quite literally in your arms. Yes, YB does know. And he’s not sorry. He still blames her and tells lies about her even though she can’t defend herself because she’s dead. We must all feel sorry for him because she dared to die and left him a victim. I literally just said I stayed out of this. They had it out between themselves. I actually didn’t get involved and took the advice that so many kind people on here gave to me. I was a sounding board for my OB and told him I supported him and understood why he was upset. That’s as far as my involvement went. If you understood for a second what it was like to live with CPTSD, and experienced what I have lived through you’d be utterly ashamed to have said the things you’ve said. If my trauma responses make me a “drama llama” then I guess that’s what I am. Thank your lucky stars you don’t understand.

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/11/2024 21:28

@LondonLass24

Remember: them that mind don't matter and them that matter don't mind. Ignore the people/posters who don't seem to get it. I've never walked a mile in your shoes but I've seen the trauma that happens when people have truly dysfunctional family members. Those left behind with the 'wreckage' need to deal with the crap any way they can. If that appears to be 'dramatic' so be it.

As far as LB's 'response', I think you need to (if you haven't already) block him on your 12 yr old's phone or however he's communicating with her. Your DH can do as he pleases but your DC shouldn't be subjected to that. Especially if you and DH are going NC with him, he's going to 'ramp up' before he 'gives up'.

InWalksBarberalla · 01/11/2024 21:34

@LondonLass24 why would you give someone like that, who caused your younger sister's death, the phone number of your 12 year old daughter?

LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 21:55

@AcrossthePond55 once again, thank you! You get it. That’s exactly it. We live in survival mode and it’s terrible. What I would give to just have a quiet mind 💔 When you grow up with an abusive parent who played mind games and controlled you the way he did, you can’t help but overthink everything everyone says or does. It’s so awful, I’d give anything to be “normal”. That’s why I reached out on here. Because I’m trying to get better. Not that my therapist said put your hard hat on and post on Mumsnet 😅 but she has suggested I reach out to people who aren’t so close, because I’d maybe get a better perspective from people outside my own circle. Lesson learned though. I don’t think I’m quite strong enough for the Mumsnet Vipers. My nerves are shot. I blocked him on DD’s phone after his last message. DH hasn’t but that’s absolutely his choice and I’m not going to make him do anything he doesn’t want to do xx

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LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 22:06

@InWalksBarberalla firstly, he is not solely to blame. I have never said that. He played a role but it wasn’t just him. If he was fully responsible for what happened I would have walked away immediately. It would be unfair of me to lay it all on him because I’d be lying. Secondly, DD got a phone when she started secondary school. She saved all our family contacts from my phone and reached out excitedly to let them know she had a phone! Narcissists are complicated and can be downright awful but he isn’t always that way. He also has a good side and can be very loving when he wants to be. No one is all good or all bad. Actually, for the most part he has been a good uncle to my kids. I have sheltered them a lot. I would never poison their minds against someone they love. They hardly know anything about my past and when things have happened I don’t tell them, of course I don’t. They’re kids! When they’re older I will tell them if they ask, but right now I’d never hurt them like that. I’ve had to block him on DD’’s phone now and have given her the most watered down version of what’s happened as I possibly can so she can understand why we need to have a little break for a bit.

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SALaw · 01/11/2024 22:13

This seems very minor in comparison to the other stuff you've had happen. The offence your brother and all his family are feeling is misplaced or an over reaction to a very minor slight.

MissTrip82 · 01/11/2024 22:23

It sounds very unhealthy that children are being drawn into adult drama like this. Over a feeling of having a ‘right’ to be told something benign before other people.

I would be really careful here not to assume that one brother is well-intentioned and the other is not. Their behaviour suggests it’s not as straightforward as that.

DoreenonTill8 · 01/11/2024 23:24

LondonLass24 · 01/11/2024 20:46

@FlingThatCarrot and @DoreenonTill8 what lovely, sheltered lives you both must live. How wonderful that you don’t know what it’s like to love and support someone with BPD who has been utterly destroyed by narcissists and then have them die by their own hand, quite literally in your arms. Yes, YB does know. And he’s not sorry. He still blames her and tells lies about her even though she can’t defend herself because she’s dead. We must all feel sorry for him because she dared to die and left him a victim. I literally just said I stayed out of this. They had it out between themselves. I actually didn’t get involved and took the advice that so many kind people on here gave to me. I was a sounding board for my OB and told him I supported him and understood why he was upset. That’s as far as my involvement went. If you understood for a second what it was like to live with CPTSD, and experienced what I have lived through you’d be utterly ashamed to have said the things you’ve said. If my trauma responses make me a “drama llama” then I guess that’s what I am. Thank your lucky stars you don’t understand.

I can't speak for @FlingThatCarrot but how awful of you to write like that when you know nothing about what other people have been through.
You are not the only person in the world to have had trauma happen in their life.

LondonLass24 · 02/11/2024 00:01

@DoreenonTill8 oh the irony of what you’ve just written. Read your first post to me and then read what you’ve just written again. Right back at you. Pot..kettle..

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DoreenonTill8 · 02/11/2024 07:33

And that just reinforces the drama llama element, with a touch of 'poor me'... do you play your brothers off against each other either with the 'he's being horrible to me-?

TheWelshposter · 02/11/2024 07:51

OP I am sure you are finding some of these responses hard, please go easy on yourself 🌺.

Your younger brother sounds absolutely horrendous. I couldn't deal with that in my life and would 100% walk away.
Your older brother and his family are there for you, you obviously have a close bond with them so stick with them and have a peaceful life.

kiwiane · 02/11/2024 07:58

Try and let stuff go - getting engaged isn’t such a big deal and you can’t manage all family comms. Just do you and see who you want to see; avoid getting involved and look after yourself. Friendships outside of your family should be a priority.

FlingThatCarrot · 02/11/2024 08:40

You have no idea what life I've lead you're just assuming yours is much more difficult than mine.

Tbh you sound very much like the narcissist!

You're also the one thinking someone else is so bothered about you/your brother that they've decided to make their engagement all about you.

You'll live a much happier life if you just give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes and assume the obvious- that they're enjoying their engagement rather than plotting and scheming how they can make it all about your family relationships.

And if you're brother is a narcissist then you're feeding into his drama, the best to do is ignore it, say congrats and leave it.

Boobygravy · 02/11/2024 09:09

DoreenonTill8 · 01/11/2024 23:24

I can't speak for @FlingThatCarrot but how awful of you to write like that when you know nothing about what other people have been through.
You are not the only person in the world to have had trauma happen in their life.

If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out.
And if you have suffered trauma then you’ll know how little things that mean nothing to one person can absolutely be upsetting to someone else.

rubyrubyrubyrubymurray · 02/11/2024 10:55

My DH and I got engaged, I posted on Facebook and didn't realise he hadn't told his family yet. Cue his siblings not speaking to us. That was like 7 or so years ago now.

If people genuinely think other peoples engagements are about them, they need to calm down and focus on their own lives.

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 02/11/2024 10:59

Al l sounds rather dramatic to me........he wasn't told about an engagement which doesn't affect him in anyway ? So what ?

Learn to roll your eyes and move on.......it's very freeing.