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Our sibling’s engagement

103 replies

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 13:26

What would you do and how would you feel in this situation? Have name changed for this thread.

Three siblings all living in London. Two of us have been here for quite some time. One has only been here a few months. We are all what I’d consider pretty close. Especially the two of us that have been here longer. They’re not just my sibling but my friend, confident and my absolute rock in hard times. He’s had my back and got me through some terrible times in my life. Financial, emotional, all of it. Our kids are best friends. We lost our younger sister last year to suicide in a horrific way which has brought us all closer and I really thought it made us treasure what we have left even more than before.

Our youngest sibling got engaged. I woke up to a lovely picture of the proposal and a message announcing their engagement. He also contacted all of my children and my husband to share the news.

As much as I love my younger brother, he is narcissistic, arrogant, can be very sly and gossipy. We’ve always just let it go because he’s been through trauma too and we know it’s some sort of trauma response. None of us are perfect.

Saying that, causing dissension is something I cannot abide by because that’s what our father did to us all of our lives. Playing everyone off against each other. He was abusive and also a narcissist. We are all no contact with him. Our sister took her life because she had BPD from our horrific childhood. Just wanted to share this all so I don’t drip feed.

ANYWAY, my brother did not share the news of his engagement with our older brother for absolutely no apparent reason. He told my entire immediate family but did not share the news with my brother and his family. I waited all day hoping he’d share the news himself but he didn’t. He then proceeded to share the news with the world publicly on Social media. FB and Instagram. So did his fiancé. They did this before telling my brother themselves.

Of course our older brother is hurt, angry and confused. As is his wife and their children. They just don’t understand why he would do this? It’s now caused a rift and before anyone comes at me, this does involve me, my older brother has gone out of his way to defend me and stand by me when people have done or said things to hurt me.

What’s even more puzzling is that something happened three weeks ago that caused a bit of a spat between my younger brother and I. He’s kept in contact with our older brother while we’ve been trying to figure it all out. There is nothing more to this. The only thing we can think of is that my younger brother wanted my older brother to turn his back on me during a rough time with my MH. Wanted to do a “tough love” approach. I have CPTSD and Cyclothymia and have difficult episodes with my MH. My older brother refused to turn his back on me and this might have pissed our younger brother off. That’s the only thing we can think of!

How would you respond to this? How would you feel? Of course we haven’t called him out on it because they’re still on their engagement holiday so we’re waiting for them to get back home. I want to stand up for the person who has always stood by me. This is going to cause such a major rift it has to be addressed by everyone IMO. Little brother does not like being called out on his behaviour so I know this won’t end well. His gaslighting skills and turning himself into the victim are pretty impressive.

I can’t just stay out of it because it’s going to have a huge knock on effect on our whole family. And like I said, I have to stand by the person who has always stood by me. Stood up for me when I’ve needed him.

Thoughts?

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Completelyjo · 28/10/2024 14:15

Ella31 · 28/10/2024 14:04

That's ridiculous. You would always tell immediate family first.

No, there really is no “should”. Dynamics are different for every family.
Maybe the brother feels much closer to his friends, maybe his fiancée feels much closer to her siblings, maybe by the time he was free to call the brother the kids would be doing bedtime. All I’m saying is for the rest of the siblings to blow this up and get involved (OP) is so over the top.
I would never be upset that by BIL hadn’t called me personally to discus his engagement before posting it on Instagram and I honestly spent most SILs and their children would be upset about that!

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:18

@Miniopolis Thank you!! You have hit the nail right on the head. Every word you have said is 100% correct. And yes, the truth is if I go along with this big happy engagement and wedding that older brother has been pushed out of, my OB would be very hurt. My loyalty lies with him. I will lose him if I do nothing. I just didn’t want to admit that but you got me.

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Heidi00 · 28/10/2024 14:20

It's their wedding they can ask who they want to walk down the aisle with them. So is that the reason that you all got the text before social media? Because your kids are involved in the wedding party? I think you just need to accept that people's dynamics are different.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:20

@Completelyjo you said it yourself. Dynamics are different in every family. Ours are extremely complicated. For us, this is a big deal. I’m sorry if you don’t agree but that’s how our family is.

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niadainud · 28/10/2024 14:21

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:15

@niadainud no 😂 his fiancé is a woman.

Oh right, sorry. It's fiancée for a woman.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:25

@Heidi00 no, because my husband and I won’t be walking down the aisle with them and they texted us did they not? He just once again tried to cause a rift between my niece and daughter who are also best friends. Who does that to 12 year old girls, it’s awful! Every move he made. The texts, the not telling his brother, announcing it publicly before telling his brother.. it was all calculated and done just to cause dissension.

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:26

@niadainud my bad! I did not know that. Thank you for correcting me! He’s definitely not gay.

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KoalaCalledKevin · 28/10/2024 14:29

This is going to cause such a major rift it has to be addressed by everyone IMO.

I disagree completely.

Just ignore it.

Mumofteenandtween · 28/10/2024 14:35

Your brother is doing this to cause upset and to get attention. So don’t give him what he wants.

I would suggest a nice get together with you and older brother where you make an adorable video with all the children congratulating Uncle Fred and Aunty Sue.

Heidi00 · 28/10/2024 14:35

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:25

@Heidi00 no, because my husband and I won’t be walking down the aisle with them and they texted us did they not? He just once again tried to cause a rift between my niece and daughter who are also best friends. Who does that to 12 year old girls, it’s awful! Every move he made. The texts, the not telling his brother, announcing it publicly before telling his brother.. it was all calculated and done just to cause dissension.

I think you're too invested and being standoffish even in your responses to people on here. You're getting your back up a lot over something that has nothing to do with you. Why would this cause a rift between the 2 girls? Do they think that their uncle has the power to come between them over something that has nothing to do with them? Or is that just your opinion?

Butchyrestingface · 28/10/2024 14:38

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:07

@Completelyjo sorry, I don’t agree. You don’t tell the world before telling your immediate family. You just don’t. Who does that?

People who are not as close to a sibling as you are. There are no rules for the order you have to disclose an engagement (or even if you do so at all).

There’s nothing to call out. Your elder brother is making a mountain out of a molehill. I’d take the approach of ‘least said soonest mended’ around him on the subject. You might not like what your younger brother has done but it’s really not that big a deal.

You’ve all been through a traumatic experience in the very recent past. Leave your brothers to sort it out (or not) between them.

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:41

Do you have pre-teen girls? How do you think one is going to feel being left out? I haven’t meant to come off as standoffish. Only with you. Because you weren’t exactly friendly to me and your replies have been a bit abrasive. Read through my replies and tell me where else I’ve been standoffish?

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:42

Sorry..that was meant for @Heidi00 👆

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LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:48

@Butchyrestingface thank you. I’m going to try not get sucked in. It’s the biggest unhealthy dynamic in our family, pulling in everyone when one has done something wrong. Just like the intervention they did with me. It was my business. It was SH. No one was supposed to find out but they had to call my husband. DH got everyone involved. I’m so used to this dynamic it’s wired into my broken brain. My CPTSD makes me overthink WAY too much. It’s also made me very codependent on my surviving siblings. Younger brother turned his back on me because he said I was a liar for not telling him. So I suppose I am a bit of a hypocrite because I also wanted the power to choose who to tell. It was just taken away from me. Probably for my own good in my case.

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Gabbyghoul · 28/10/2024 14:50

If younger brother is a dickhead and older brother wants to go NC anyway then I'd do nothing and not get involved.

whatsappdoc · 28/10/2024 14:51

Is it possible the brother thought he was sharing the news to both of you at the same time? Eg on a family WhatsApp and not your personal one?
Agree with pp, your brother should just text a Congrats/Great news message. If your younger brother is trying to annoy your elder brother and leave him out then this is the perfect response.

Polyp0 · 28/10/2024 14:58

Another one here who thinks that the problem lies in your older brother's response, more than it does in your younger brothers actions.

FuzzyGoblin · 28/10/2024 14:59

It sounds like you have been through some very difficult times. I wouldn’t add this to it by responding or being dramatic as it’s quite possible that’s what your younger brother is looking for. Your older brother knows you unfailingly support him and that’s enough. If he wants to have the discussion, that’s up to him to do so.

Your NC with your father and your sister is dead. Your post comes across that you want to fragment what little you and your older brother have left even further. Follow your older brother’s lead on this (which seems to be dignified and peacekeeping so far).

DisappearingGirl · 28/10/2024 15:26

OP you sound like a caring person and it sounds like your family have been through an awful lot. It also sounds like your younger brother is a bit petty and manipulative.

However, I hope you don't mind if I say that your whole family's response to your brother's petty games sounds quite overblown here. I can understand this if you've been over-sensitised by having a horrible narcissistic father.

I think the best thing to say to your big brother would be "yeah that was a bit mean and petty of little bro but you know what he's like - he's just trying to create drama - it's best if we just ignore him". Little bro is unlikely to change so you might as well roll your eyes and ignore.

Heidi00 · 28/10/2024 15:31

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:41

Do you have pre-teen girls? How do you think one is going to feel being left out? I haven’t meant to come off as standoffish. Only with you. Because you weren’t exactly friendly to me and your replies have been a bit abrasive. Read through my replies and tell me where else I’ve been standoffish?

I wasn't unkind at all in my replies. You were standoffish to me and being sarcastic in your reply. Anyway, enjoy your day 🤯

DisappearingGirl · 28/10/2024 15:32

It's a good lesson for the 12 year olds too. "Why did Uncle Fred text Ellie and not me?". "Because much as we love Uncle Fred he can be a bit of a drama llama - he was cross about something silly so he decided to text some people and not others. No he doesn't like Ellie better than you. He just likes causing drama sometimes. Isn't that silly for an adult? It's best if we ignore him".

We have to have similar conversations with our girls about drama llamas at school - if it's pointed out that Uncle Fred is behaving like a 12 year old girl then they might see the funny side.

saraclara · 28/10/2024 15:43

You're all damaged, but in different ways. You can't expect any of your siblings to change significantly any more that you can. The damage is too deep.

The most useful thing you can do is not overreact. To support each other calmly and with a shrug, rather than getting irate, encouraging others to be irate, or going to one of them to try and stick up for the other.

After what you've all gone through, the harmony you long for you all to have, just isn't really achievable. So protect your own mental health, and help your sibling by keeping them calm and encouraging them to shrug too, rather than inflaming things.

HappyTwo · 28/10/2024 15:48

Talk?
When your younger brother gets back ask him in person so you can see his body language why he did not tell your older brother?

Onlyonekenobe · 28/10/2024 15:51

LondonLass24 · 28/10/2024 14:18

@Miniopolis Thank you!! You have hit the nail right on the head. Every word you have said is 100% correct. And yes, the truth is if I go along with this big happy engagement and wedding that older brother has been pushed out of, my OB would be very hurt. My loyalty lies with him. I will lose him if I do nothing. I just didn’t want to admit that but you got me.

You would lose your older brother if you do nothing?! Seriously? Or are you just getting carried away? (Fine if you are, as long as you recognise it: all your posts are terribly dramatic, everything seems to be an extreme.)

Are you able to see how manipulative that is of your older brother? I get that you want to be loyal to him, and feel a debt of gratitude to him - but these strings to the help he gave you are unacceptable. Honestly, all three of you need space and distance from each other. This is all so unhealthy, and really very unsettling and unnerving to read in light of what happened to your sister.

Zilla1 · 28/10/2024 16:23

HNRTT but from your OP, you seem to have initially narrowed the options to what looks like the only solution being to confront your DB. I did see when I skimmed the thread that you see yourself as a 'fixer'. It may seem the biggest thing in the world how an announcement is made and to have read intent but why do you need to fix this? Unless you want to risk the disagreement to escalate and potentially involve your DB's finance in this by spoiling her feelings about the engagement and your side of the family then it would seem best to discuss with your older DB so he knows you are a united front and doesn't see 'disloyalty' in both of you agreeing not to confront your DB.

If you are concerned about your MH then try not to get involved in confrontations nor feel slights intensely and get on with living your life. Hopefully your DB will have his hands full planning the wedding (If he's on an engagement holiday then I suspect low key isn't the way he lives his life) and everything can calm down. If he carries on then pick a more substantive issue to discuss with him.

I'm not recommending being a doormat but it takes two to have a disagreement and not every slight needs to be 'confronted'.

Good luck.