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To have shouted at a stranger at the pool?

405 replies

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:08

I’m still mulling this over so needed some opinions from you wise owls. The fact I’m still thinking about it makes me think I probably did the wrong thing 😖

scenario: busy pool today with Dd8 and her friend, we had just into a family cubicle to change after a nice swim. Changing rooms were busy and in high demand which is normal for weekend family swim time. We’d been in there for a couple of mins (so just at the stage I’m half dressed with dripping wet hair and the girls are wrapped up in towels slowly starting to dry off). The door to the cubicle gets banged on really loudly so I ignored it assuming someone had the wrong cubicle. However when it happened again really loudly I said “it’s occupied, won’t be too long” and the person on the other side started shouting about a jacket and rattling the door. The knocking and rattling of
the door continued and got louder and this girls started to get upset so I opened it a crack to say I think you’ve got the wrong cubicle, and a very red faced angry woman started shouting at me saying I’d taken her cubicle and stolen her daughter’s jacket 🤷‍♀️I had to speak loudly as she was literally just ranting and I said I think you have the wrong cubicle, it’s me and 2 girls and we are changing so please step away and you are welcome to come in when we are done but there’s nothing it in apart from our stuff.
She then put her hand on the door and continued to shout about a jacket, saying she needed to come in and check as I had clearly moved her clothes out of it and stolen the cubicle and jacket. I finally lost my temper and shouted back (I know that was wrong but it was awful, the girls were upset and she had her hand on the door so I couldn’t shut and lock it) and she started really yelling at me. I didn’t know what to do so asked loudly if security was around (lots of wide eyed parents standing who did nothing but not a lifeguard in sight as they were poolside and no security as they of course would normally have no reason to patrol a kids changing area)
She then screamed that I was racist and she was calling security on me for theft 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️and walked off, so I went back in to reassure the girls, having locked the door.
Next thing I know a lifeguard of about 17 who looked confused knocked on the door and said a lady had come to complain that her daughter’s expensive jacket had been stolen and I had been racist towards her. I felt really upset (I think just shock) and managed to wobble out the above story and that I was finishing getting the girls ready and we would come out and she could check it for this jacket (that clearly wasn’t in there). Then a security guard arrived so it was chaotic at this point, it all got repeated and she said she would try and find the women. She came back after a few minutes to say she’d spoken to her and told her she should have been polite and waited for us to exit before going in to check if the coat was in there, but that she had denied raising her voice and said that I had been deliberately goading and obstructive and racist. I got quite upset and said I certainly wasn’t racist or goading and while I did stop her entering the cubicle it was only because the girls were naked and we had just started getting changed. She sort of shrugged and nodded and walked off and I gathered up my things and we left. I feel awful for having lost my temper and shouted at her and for security, which scared the girls more, but I simply lost my rag after repeated attempts to ask her to wait while
we finished changing, and then she was so aggressive. I’ve had to explain to the girls what racist means and how It was nothing to do with race, but I’m mortified my DD and her friend saw me raise my voice and shout at her to move away from the civil cubicle. WWYHD in that situation? My gut tells me I handled it badly but it was all so sudden and intense and I think my fear turned into anger ☹️

OP posts:
Ilovelurchers · 28/10/2024 01:03

The poster who used the phrase "the race card" ought to be ashamed of herself - it implies that people making false accusations of racism is a widespread phenomenon - which undermines the reality that in fact, racism is the widespread phenomenon. It encourages people to think any claim to be a victim of racism is likely to be false.

On a similar note, mystified as to how OP's two eight year olds don't know what racism is - but very pleased to hear she has explained it to them and that they now do. It ought to be covered in the PSHE curriculum at school, as well as discussed at home (in an age appropriate way obviously).

And sorry you went through the unpleasant experience OP - from what you describe this woman does sound toxic.

alittlesnack · 28/10/2024 01:11

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:37

This 😂I’m a seasoned mum with far too many years experience of gymnastics level Under towel changing on beaches and pools so can undress and redress like a mum Houdini, mainly learned so the whole beach doesn’t hear “mummy your bottom is soooooo big and wobbly, why?”

🤣

I think you did really well keeping it together. It should not have turned into this scenario where this woman is banging on the door and shouting. What an awful experience for a swimming day.

wandawaves · 28/10/2024 01:32

I think you did the right thing by yelling in front of the girls. You showed them that if you've used your normal polite voice and your stern voice, and someone is still being inappropriate toward you, you have the right to raise your voice and stand up for yourself. You also yelled to bystanders to get help. These are great messages to teach them!

oakleaffy · 28/10/2024 01:53

@Fullmooncomfort Some real roughs can use public swimming pools.

This woman sounds horrid and very aggressive.

Why didn't she use a locker for her daughter's jacket?

As if you'd want someone's manky jacket anyway.

DisabledDemon · 28/10/2024 01:55

I think you were remarkably restrained. My response would have been very robust.

oakleaffy · 28/10/2024 02:00

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:22

Respectfully I disagree, it’s a general changing village so men and women all walking around and some not part of a family and I wouldn’t want my daughter’s friend alone in a different cubicle. She also happens to have some motor difficulties so struggles to get dressed after swimming when you’re a bit wet and everything feels rushed so she always changes with us and I just turn the other way when she gets dressed and only help if asked to. Her mum is fine with this so definitely no weirdness there.

Jeez that sounds horrendous ''Changing village'' with men and women and children wandering around not segregated...Sounds a pervert's dream.

Needanewname42 · 28/10/2024 02:06

@shuggles what country are you in?

Most council pools in the UK have moved away from seperate Male / Female changing over the last 30 years.
So individual cubicles.

Makes it easy for one parent with opposite sexed children and schools taking classes swimming.

For some reason private gyms tend to have Male / Female changing rooms and open areas within that, with the expectation that children aged 8 would be in the correct sexed changing rooms regardless of what parent is with them.

Needanewname42 · 28/10/2024 02:09

oakleaffy · 28/10/2024 02:00

Jeez that sounds horrendous ''Changing village'' with men and women and children wandering around not segregated...Sounds a pervert's dream.

Why would people be wandering around?

You get your stuff from a locker and go into a individual cubicle and get changed. Not hard, better than 8 yos being sent into the Men's on their own (yes more mums take kids to swimming alone than Dads)

oakleaffy · 28/10/2024 02:16

Needanewname42 · 28/10/2024 02:09

Why would people be wandering around?

You get your stuff from a locker and go into a individual cubicle and get changed. Not hard, better than 8 yos being sent into the Men's on their own (yes more mums take kids to swimming alone than Dads)

8 yr olds are't a threat.

They can go in with mum or in cubicle next door.

HallidayJones6779 · 28/10/2024 02:26

sounds like you handled it well OP! What a horrid woman.

Needanewname42 · 28/10/2024 02:28

@oakleaffy Eh?
Places with Male / Female usually use 8 as the max age for being in the opposite sexed facility. There have been tons of threads people complaining about 8yo boys usually in the ladies.
Changing Villages are for everyone so no worries about kids being separated

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 28/10/2024 02:44

You didn't nothing wrong. She should have knocked politely and asked if a jacket had been left in cubicle or waited until you came out to check. You were sensible to ask for security given you and vulnerable children were being threatened.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 28/10/2024 02:46

You did nothing wrong I mean.

SD1978 · 28/10/2024 03:09

You don't have to be meek and turn the other cheek when you are being verbally attacked. She was utterly in the wrong, and tried to make the situation worse. I don't agree on escalating situations, but when it already is, yes, I defend myself. I would be explaining that to the girls.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 28/10/2024 04:45

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:35

Nope!

Agree, nothing weird at all.

Boohoo76 · 28/10/2024 04:46

shuggles · 28/10/2024 00:05

Where is this? I've never seen a changing room like that at any leisure centre.

So there is a row of cubicles in the middle of the changing room? Near the lockers?

It sounds exactly like the changing facilities at my local leisure centre. All cubicles as there are no separate female and male changing areas.

JayEffSee · 28/10/2024 05:23

shuggles · 28/10/2024 00:05

Where is this? I've never seen a changing room like that at any leisure centre.

So there is a row of cubicles in the middle of the changing room? Near the lockers?

Where do you live? Pretty much every UK leisure centre changing room is like this!

Larrythebloodycat · 28/10/2024 05:24

I think you deserve a medal for not smacking her in the mouth.

wiesowarum · 28/10/2024 05:25

I wouldn't have opened the door tbh.
'I don't know you. I haven't seen your daughter's jacket. Leave us alone.'
Repeat.
I would not expect a young lifeguard to intervene, they're not paid enough to do that!
I do agree that perhaps the girls could have shared one cubicle and you next door/nearby - there's no reason for you all to be in together.

TheaBrandt · 28/10/2024 05:32

Sorry but children are going into a world where there are aggressive weirdos so keeping them in a bubble isn’t great so don’t feel bad about that.

Don’t actually see what else you could have done op in the circumstances don’t know why you are beating yourself up about it.

TheaBrandt · 28/10/2024 05:38

We had a sort of similar incident on a train. Dh was accused by a pair of weedy twenty somethings of being aggressive after he politely said they were in our seats. They scuttled off and got the conductor! Fortunately numerous other random passengers spoke up for us and told the conductor Dh had done nothing wrong and was perfectly polite. About 8 randoms spoke up as witnesses. Shame the swimming pool crowd didn’t.

TheSilkWorm · 28/10/2024 05:40

shuggles · 28/10/2024 00:11

Every changing room I have ever been to just has benches and is open-plan. The lockers are on the side of the room. I am surprised that some leisure centres have cubicles just for changing (and not just toilet cubicles).

Are the cubicles found in private luxury leisure centres? I guess any time I go to a leisure centre, it tends to be fairly standard public-owned facilities.

Every changing room I've ever been to has a communal area AND cubicles. It's your experience that is unusual.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/10/2024 05:44

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:19

A bit off topic, but taking someone else's child into a cubicle to change with you is just weird. Children of that age can change themselves (unless additional needs obvs). I don't want my child to be naked with another adult, even if a mother.

Weird. I would prefer my child to be supervised and if I didn't trust the other person wouldn't have let them go.

marmamumma · 28/10/2024 05:44

Don't feel guilty about a thing OP. The kids saw you standing up for yourself. Tick.
You didn't resort to violence. Tick
Everyone got home safe and sound. Tick.
Would have been sadly unfortunate if crazy lady had a terrible fall on those slippery shampoo covered tiles.(Maybe another time?)

Alls well that ends well. Job done.