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To have shouted at a stranger at the pool?

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Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:08

I’m still mulling this over so needed some opinions from you wise owls. The fact I’m still thinking about it makes me think I probably did the wrong thing 😖

scenario: busy pool today with Dd8 and her friend, we had just into a family cubicle to change after a nice swim. Changing rooms were busy and in high demand which is normal for weekend family swim time. We’d been in there for a couple of mins (so just at the stage I’m half dressed with dripping wet hair and the girls are wrapped up in towels slowly starting to dry off). The door to the cubicle gets banged on really loudly so I ignored it assuming someone had the wrong cubicle. However when it happened again really loudly I said “it’s occupied, won’t be too long” and the person on the other side started shouting about a jacket and rattling the door. The knocking and rattling of
the door continued and got louder and this girls started to get upset so I opened it a crack to say I think you’ve got the wrong cubicle, and a very red faced angry woman started shouting at me saying I’d taken her cubicle and stolen her daughter’s jacket 🤷‍♀️I had to speak loudly as she was literally just ranting and I said I think you have the wrong cubicle, it’s me and 2 girls and we are changing so please step away and you are welcome to come in when we are done but there’s nothing it in apart from our stuff.
She then put her hand on the door and continued to shout about a jacket, saying she needed to come in and check as I had clearly moved her clothes out of it and stolen the cubicle and jacket. I finally lost my temper and shouted back (I know that was wrong but it was awful, the girls were upset and she had her hand on the door so I couldn’t shut and lock it) and she started really yelling at me. I didn’t know what to do so asked loudly if security was around (lots of wide eyed parents standing who did nothing but not a lifeguard in sight as they were poolside and no security as they of course would normally have no reason to patrol a kids changing area)
She then screamed that I was racist and she was calling security on me for theft 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️and walked off, so I went back in to reassure the girls, having locked the door.
Next thing I know a lifeguard of about 17 who looked confused knocked on the door and said a lady had come to complain that her daughter’s expensive jacket had been stolen and I had been racist towards her. I felt really upset (I think just shock) and managed to wobble out the above story and that I was finishing getting the girls ready and we would come out and she could check it for this jacket (that clearly wasn’t in there). Then a security guard arrived so it was chaotic at this point, it all got repeated and she said she would try and find the women. She came back after a few minutes to say she’d spoken to her and told her she should have been polite and waited for us to exit before going in to check if the coat was in there, but that she had denied raising her voice and said that I had been deliberately goading and obstructive and racist. I got quite upset and said I certainly wasn’t racist or goading and while I did stop her entering the cubicle it was only because the girls were naked and we had just started getting changed. She sort of shrugged and nodded and walked off and I gathered up my things and we left. I feel awful for having lost my temper and shouted at her and for security, which scared the girls more, but I simply lost my rag after repeated attempts to ask her to wait while
we finished changing, and then she was so aggressive. I’ve had to explain to the girls what racist means and how It was nothing to do with race, but I’m mortified my DD and her friend saw me raise my voice and shout at her to move away from the civil cubicle. WWYHD in that situation? My gut tells me I handled it badly but it was all so sudden and intense and I think my fear turned into anger ☹️

OP posts:
Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:29

blahblahblahhhhh · 27/10/2024 23:26

This made me think of going swimming (6 weeks postpartum) with my 8 year old DD. It was the first time I’d left newborn and had 1-1 time with 8yo.

we were showering off after swimming and I had her conditioning her (very long and knotty) hair. A woman got in my face, (while we showered!) threatened me and shouted at me as she wanted my shower for her kids. If she had said kids are freezing/waiting etc politely I’d have gladly shared with my 8yo but she was so horrible I just wanted to cry. I refused to move and she continued shouting at me.

they had been rough and loud in the pool, swearing and kids not v well supervised. She couldn’t understand why we needed to wash hair after the pool, called us tramps and said we must be too poor to shower at home. My little 8yo looking on and all I could say was no! When she tried to get into shower I was in and told me to move.

I bloody wish I had reacted like you OP and shouted/told her off. I am glad I stood my ground but I just felt utter panic and wanted the ground to swallow me up.

the girls will have learned not to let people be rude and invade their space when they are in a vulnerable position and that it’s okay to stand up for themselves!!

I’m so sorry you had this experience too ☹️well done for saying no!

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Dramatic · 27/10/2024 23:29

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:19

A bit off topic, but taking someone else's child into a cubicle to change with you is just weird. Children of that age can change themselves (unless additional needs obvs). I don't want my child to be naked with another adult, even if a mother.

Totally agree, I wouldn't be happy with my 8yo in a cubicle with an unrelated adult and I wouldn't want to be getting changed in front of an unrelated 8yo

SwingTheMonkey · 27/10/2024 23:30

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:26

I’m not sure 🤷‍♀️they’ve heard the term in school as part of awareness raising along with other discriminating terms, but haven’t seen it used in real life as an accusation and given I wasn’t being racist they were confused by why she kept telling me I am, hence the chat about racism in its different forms on way home.

Well, you did nothing wrong. I’d try not to give it any more thought.

Theunamedcat · 27/10/2024 23:30

Your only mistake was opening the door to engage personally I would have called reception and asked them to send someone down

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:30

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:19

A bit off topic, but taking someone else's child into a cubicle to change with you is just weird. Children of that age can change themselves (unless additional needs obvs). I don't want my child to be naked with another adult, even if a mother.

Nothing weird about that at all.

id far rather my child's friend's mum went in the family change than sent the girls off alone.

You can feel how you want about it, but don't tell other people they're weird when it's not them that's weird.

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:31

Theunamedcat · 27/10/2024 23:30

Your only mistake was opening the door to engage personally I would have called reception and asked them to send someone down

How would you do that from a regular swimming baths changing room??

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:32

Dramatic · 27/10/2024 23:29

Totally agree, I wouldn't be happy with my 8yo in a cubicle with an unrelated adult and I wouldn't want to be getting changed in front of an unrelated 8yo

I respect your feelings on this but her mum has always asked me to have her daughter with us when we go swimming and I’m comfortable doing that so no issues there. Keen not to derail this thread on debate over family friends and changing villages.

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DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:33

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:30

Nothing weird about that at all.

id far rather my child's friend's mum went in the family change than sent the girls off alone.

You can feel how you want about it, but don't tell other people they're weird when it's not them that's weird.

Nothing weird about an 8 y/o being naked in the same space as an unrelated naked adult? FFS.

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:33

@Fullmooncomfort

You didn't do anything wrong!

the other little girl may have learnt a few new words if it had been me!!

hot chocolate after & a reminder that children don't use those words 🤭

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:33

Theunamedcat · 27/10/2024 23:30

Your only mistake was opening the door to engage personally I would have called reception and asked them to send someone down

Tbh this didn’t cross my mind but even if it had my handbag with my phone was still on locker on opposite side of the changing room as we were only getting dressed so I couldn’t have got to it anyway.

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SwingTheMonkey · 27/10/2024 23:34

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:33

Nothing weird about an 8 y/o being naked in the same space as an unrelated naked adult? FFS.

How do you know op was naked? I’m capable of changing in a swimming pool underneath a towel if necessary. Perhaps op is also capable of this seemingly unimaginable phenomenon.

AutumnLeaves24 · 27/10/2024 23:35

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:33

Nothing weird about an 8 y/o being naked in the same space as an unrelated naked adult? FFS.

Nope!

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:37

SwingTheMonkey · 27/10/2024 23:34

How do you know op was naked? I’m capable of changing in a swimming pool underneath a towel if necessary. Perhaps op is also capable of this seemingly unimaginable phenomenon.

This 😂I’m a seasoned mum with far too many years experience of gymnastics level Under towel changing on beaches and pools so can undress and redress like a mum Houdini, mainly learned so the whole beach doesn’t hear “mummy your bottom is soooooo big and wobbly, why?”

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fallenbranches · 27/10/2024 23:37

Anyone would lose their temper in that situation. I actually think it's a good thing for the children to see you stand up for yourself and stand your ground. She sounds like a horrible bully. If you had been quiet and polite she may have pushed you even more. The fact that you stood up to her probably annoyed her as maybe she's used to getting away with it so she used the only thing she had left which was shouting racism. Sounds like the type of person who actively looks for fights. Also I'm not sure the whole jacket thing was entirely true. It might be something she tries on for another reason.

shuggles · 27/10/2024 23:44

What type of changing room is this? You are inside a "cubicle" that other people are able to bang on?

yeaitsmeagain · 27/10/2024 23:44

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:19

A bit off topic, but taking someone else's child into a cubicle to change with you is just weird. Children of that age can change themselves (unless additional needs obvs). I don't want my child to be naked with another adult, even if a mother.

you'd hate our community leisure centre then, it's communal changing. there's also a swim school there for young children, who other than separating sexes all get changed together with parents and swim staff there or in and out.

Keroppi · 27/10/2024 23:45

It's fine! Who wouldn't be shouting - it sounds scary, she was carrying on and rattling the doorknob, being quite aggressive! I think it's good you got angry and stood your ground. Probs a good xp for them

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:45

shuggles · 27/10/2024 23:44

What type of changing room is this? You are inside a "cubicle" that other people are able to bang on?

Well yes..large open plan room with lockers and about 20 cubicles in the middle that have doors that lock? So a normal changing room to me 🤷‍♀️

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shittestusernameever · 27/10/2024 23:46

You did nothing wrong and from the sounds of things you certainly were not racist.

Sounds like she accused you of racism to silence you, to stop you defending yourself. It's happened to me before in my job when I refused to refund a customer because she had damaged an item. It doesn't wash with me at all.

SwingTheMonkey · 27/10/2024 23:46

shuggles · 27/10/2024 23:44

What type of changing room is this? You are inside a "cubicle" that other people are able to bang on?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of a cubicle?

WearyAuldWumman · 27/10/2024 23:48

Fullmooncomfort · 27/10/2024 23:45

Well yes..large open plan room with lockers and about 20 cubicles in the middle that have doors that lock? So a normal changing room to me 🤷‍♀️

Yup. Perfectly normal. We have a Changing Village at our local leisure centre too.

widelegenes · 27/10/2024 23:49

DragonGypsyDoris · 27/10/2024 23:33

Nothing weird about an 8 y/o being naked in the same space as an unrelated naked adult? FFS.

I'm sure OP wasn't hoola hooping around naked, just getting herself and the girls dressed. OP isn't a stranger, but known and trusted by the other girl's parents.

violentovulation · 27/10/2024 23:50

You were lot nicer than I would have been. You did nothing wrong, and FYI sometimes raising your voice and shouting is completely valid. Some people need a reality check.

Moonlightdust · 27/10/2024 23:53

She sounds deranged, not you.

widelegenes · 27/10/2024 23:53

OP, I don't think you did anything wrong. No one likes being in a situation that exposes children to shouting, but they were scared and you were protecting them (being in a state of undress must have made them feel pretty vulnerable). You raised your voice because the other woman was very intimidating and physically pushing her way into your private space. If anything the girls will see that there are times when a situation calls for the adult taking care of them to 'fight' back.

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