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To think that work friends will screw you over if they need to and avoid work friendships from now on?

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 09:11

I worked at a company for 20+ years.

A few years ago, I had a miscarriage and was treated really badly by my manager afterwards. It all got very messy, with the union involved, and ended up in a tribunal where I won the main parts. However, the manager carried on victimising me, but more subtly. It was the friendship of people I'd been friends with for years that kept me there (plus the hope that manager would leave).

A few years later, I had a baby. Treated badly during pregnancy and returned to a demotion and worse conditions. Not allowed breaks for expressing milk. Wanted mediation. It was refused and manager or company said they'd rather go back to court.

Ended up leaving after submitting a grievance which was ignored and not even responded to.

We are now going back to tribunal. Not what I wanted, but my new job pays less than what I would have earned in my non-demoted role, and it is the principle too. I was effectively pushed out of my job and my pregnancy and maternity leave were affected by how I was treated too.

The manager is also spreading false rumours about me leaving (pretending I was sacked rather than resigned, making up false allegations).

Manager is trying to get (ex)friends to be witnesses against me. These are people who know how ill manager has made me and have been vocally and enthusiastically on my side... before I left.

I totally understand that they need their jobs and need to stay on manager's good side, but not to the extent that they are willing to speak against me and for manager. There's nothing that they know or can say that will affect my case badly if they tell the truth, but emails have already been sent via solicitors that show them lying to the manager about whether they have been in contact with me, what I have said to them and what their opinions are on the situation.

The problem for them is that (now they are "in" this by having been willing to write these emails and lie and probably be witnesses) they have now become relevant to the case and my solicitor has made me disclose messages from them and between us that prove they are lying. They will also really anger the manager as they show my ex-friends being very negative about the manager and having lied to manager.

I have no choice about this, but still feel terrible about it as the messages will really turn manager against them. My partner says they deserve it for being such turncoats (he knows them well because a couple of them have really been very close friends and spent a lot of time here and with my children), but I feel bad that the manager may now have them on the list for being next.

Unless they prove their loyalty by being willing to lie in court, I guess.

What I can't get my head round is how people who have been my friends for almost two decades can be such hypocrites. I know they're scared, but how can they justify doing this rather than saying no? Or even leaving if they are that scared for their jobs?

There are a number of people who have left who are enthusiastic witnesses FOR me and they are just as surprised as me about what is happening and probably more disgusted.

They think the lying people deserve to be exposed as liars and that I shouldn't care about having to disclose these private messages. But I do care, because I cared about these people. I know that probably makes me naive and stupid, but the history was positive and I can't just write it off and forget about it.

How can I ever trust anyone again? These were not just short-term work people. We were in each others' lives for years. We socialised together and looked after eqch others' kids. One of them was the person I called when I started miscarrying. Was I stupid to trust them? I think so. So AIBU to never have friendships/ socialise at work again?

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 09:26

Should add that my new colleagues seem lovely, but I am so scared of being screwed over again that I just don't know what to say or do.

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Canalboat · 27/10/2024 09:38

It is best to keep work colleagues at a polite distance because if things like this. I once had to raise something because it was potentially dangerous to the public and so I couldn’t keep to myself but it was about someone who I’d known for years had been at my wedding. It was awful.

Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 09:41

That is very understandable that you did what you did in that context. * *

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Autumnal589 · 27/10/2024 09:45

I learnt this the hard way also.
There was a woman at work I used to feel really sorry for. Some other colleagues used to gossip about her and she ùsed to confide in me. I offered her a lot of support and kindness.
On her last few days at work however, she was slagging off some of these co workers to a large group and I could see she was loving the attention and was actually being as bad as said colleagues. I felt really stupid at that point.
After she left the job, she then expected me to run around after her to meet up despite her being the one with the car. The last straw came when I texted her about not being 100% with my health and she replied but hasn't checked in since. That tells me all I need to know. She wasn't as sweet and innocent as she made out that's for sure.

sweaterrweatherr · 27/10/2024 09:46

I'm sorry you're going through all this. It sounds awful but I'm glad you have some ex colleagues that are supporting you. I expect it's hard for the colleagues still working there but if they are willing to lie in court they were never truly your friends.

I work with my 'best friend' (met at work 10ish years ago) and honestly I've had to hold my tongue more times than I can count and just let her be a bit tasty to me at times, because I enjoy my job and it would create a massive atmosphere. I won't get too close/friendly with anyone else at work again.

ilovesooty · 27/10/2024 09:50

I'm sorry about what happened to you.

I've got mixed experiences. I was well and truly screwed over by my colleagues in my last teaching job but two of my closest friends are former colleagues from my last job.

MissUltraViolet · 27/10/2024 09:53

They need their jobs, they are scared of their manager, they have to see him/her every day and so that has a bigger impact in their lives currently than upsetting/turning on you does because you're now out of sight. It just comes down to selfishness and self-preservation really. Easier said than done but you need to try not take it personally, they are not doing it because they don't like you, they have been put in a really shitty position by what sounds like a really shitty manager and have chosen what they believe is the best/easiest option for them.

As for feeling bad about having to disclose messages - fuck that. Your DH is right, they made the decision and backed you into a corner, they gave you no choice. You do whatever you need to do now, use everything you have and fight whoever you need to fight for what's right.

Cooriedoon · 27/10/2024 09:53

I was once called as a witness in a work tribunal for my colleague against my bosses. Was very uncomfortable and I ended up leaving soon after. 30 years later I am still good friends with that colleague and our misogynistic bosses are old ill men now. (Was a pregnancy discrimination case).
However, as I got older I did and do keep colleagues as colleagues. I like keeping my private life private. Far too many colleagues over the years spilling their every problem/trauma out at me. I am not a therapist and don't have the capacity for it any more.

FionnulaTheCooler · 27/10/2024 09:56

I've been burnt by this before at a previous job. Now I keep myself to myself at work, I'll be polite and make small talk in the staff room but I don't socialise with my colleagues outside of work or have them on social media, I prefer to keep my working life and social life separate to avoid complications.

cardibach · 27/10/2024 09:58

Canalboat · 27/10/2024 09:38

It is best to keep work colleagues at a polite distance because if things like this. I once had to raise something because it was potentially dangerous to the public and so I couldn’t keep to myself but it was about someone who I’d known for years had been at my wedding. It was awful.

I disagree. I worked in a toxic place at one time - so bad you wouldn't believe what went on if I told you. The only way any of us fit through it was having close friendships with colleagues. I'm still friends with them nearly 10 years later.

MillyMichaelson · 27/10/2024 10:01

You know, I have made great friends through work and if you'd asked me a couple of years ago, I'd have said they were my best friends and I'd never lose them.

That's turned out to be untrue; the thing is that nice people expect others to operate as they do, and they don't, so you end up being thrown to the wolves.

For me, from now on, it's 'friendly at work' not 'work friends'.

It's honestly broken my heart so I'm not interested ever again.

GreyCarpet · 27/10/2024 10:02

As for feeling bad about having to disclose messages - fuck that. Your DH is right, they made the decision and backed you into a corner, they gave you no choice. You do whatever you need to do now, use everything you have and fight whoever you need to fight for what's right.

This.

I have colleagues I'm friends with at work and a few of us sometimes go for a drink after work but they are 'superficial' friendships and, whilst I know none of us would maliciously throw another under the bus, I'm always aware that our first and foremost priority is paying our bills. I don't let work friendships become too close. I know people who have and they expect a loyalty from colleagues that they probably shouldn't.

BibbityBobbityToo · 27/10/2024 10:03

People won't put their heads above the parapet for you and risk their job or future promotion opportunities. They aren't bad people but just don't think you are worth risking their e.g £45K Salary and Private Pension for.

Work colleagues should generally be kept at a friendly arms length.

InSpainTheRain · 27/10/2024 10:06

By and large your colleagues are not your friends, they are people who you should try to have a good professional relationship with, and no more. I am 60 years old, I've worked since I was 18 in several jobs, gradually climbing the ladder. In all that time I would say there are only 2 people from work who are my friends, as opposed to colleagues.
I have got on really well with the large majority of colleagues and never had a serious fallout, but I keep almost all relationships superficial and professional.

SemperIdem · 27/10/2024 10:08

My colleagues are just that. I don’t socialise with any outside of work.

FrippEnos · 27/10/2024 10:10

Of those I considered friends at work only one remains, the rest have not bothered to even check how I am.

I know have work "friends"/colleagues and friends.

LlynTegid · 27/10/2024 10:12

I work with some lovely and excellent people, a pleasure to work with. They are work colleagues only and respect that.

Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:29

Autumnal589 · 27/10/2024 09:45

I learnt this the hard way also.
There was a woman at work I used to feel really sorry for. Some other colleagues used to gossip about her and she ùsed to confide in me. I offered her a lot of support and kindness.
On her last few days at work however, she was slagging off some of these co workers to a large group and I could see she was loving the attention and was actually being as bad as said colleagues. I felt really stupid at that point.
After she left the job, she then expected me to run around after her to meet up despite her being the one with the car. The last straw came when I texted her about not being 100% with my health and she replied but hasn't checked in since. That tells me all I need to know. She wasn't as sweet and innocent as she made out that's for sure.

Oh that's hard!

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:30

sweaterrweatherr · 27/10/2024 09:46

I'm sorry you're going through all this. It sounds awful but I'm glad you have some ex colleagues that are supporting you. I expect it's hard for the colleagues still working there but if they are willing to lie in court they were never truly your friends.

I work with my 'best friend' (met at work 10ish years ago) and honestly I've had to hold my tongue more times than I can count and just let her be a bit tasty to me at times, because I enjoy my job and it would create a massive atmosphere. I won't get too close/friendly with anyone else at work again.

Thank you for this

I am trying to go with the idea that they were never truly my friends, but I can't make it make sense unless I am completely stupid because I really thought we were😥

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:40

ilovesooty · 27/10/2024 09:50

I'm sorry about what happened to you.

I've got mixed experiences. I was well and truly screwed over by my colleagues in my last teaching job but two of my closest friends are former colleagues from my last job.

I am sorry for what happened to you too

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:52

MissUltraViolet · 27/10/2024 09:53

They need their jobs, they are scared of their manager, they have to see him/her every day and so that has a bigger impact in their lives currently than upsetting/turning on you does because you're now out of sight. It just comes down to selfishness and self-preservation really. Easier said than done but you need to try not take it personally, they are not doing it because they don't like you, they have been put in a really shitty position by what sounds like a really shitty manager and have chosen what they believe is the best/easiest option for them.

As for feeling bad about having to disclose messages - fuck that. Your DH is right, they made the decision and backed you into a corner, they gave you no choice. You do whatever you need to do now, use everything you have and fight whoever you need to fight for what's right.

Thank you for all of this.

Will try very hard to remember both.

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Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:53

Cooriedoon · 27/10/2024 09:53

I was once called as a witness in a work tribunal for my colleague against my bosses. Was very uncomfortable and I ended up leaving soon after. 30 years later I am still good friends with that colleague and our misogynistic bosses are old ill men now. (Was a pregnancy discrimination case).
However, as I got older I did and do keep colleagues as colleagues. I like keeping my private life private. Far too many colleagues over the years spilling their every problem/trauma out at me. I am not a therapist and don't have the capacity for it any more.

I bet your colleague was really grateful to you

I think what's so upsetting is that we are a shortage profession where we can take our pick of jobs. They'd not struggle to leave and stick to what they actually believe.

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another1bitestheduck · 27/10/2024 10:55

I don't know, I think it's a lot to extrapolate from this one incident that all work friends will screw you over. I think it's more of a 'people' thing, in that it's natural to prioritise yourself and your family if it comes down to the wire, and it's a rare person who would put themselves at risk to help someone else.

There are loads of examples on here with non-work friends who seem great until the friendship is tested in someway - e.g. a friend's husband flirts with you and she blames you and not him, or your kids fall out or one gets into grammar school/wins a scholarship and one doesn't and that's it for the friendship or someone suffers a bereavement or serious illness and their close friends are nowhere to be found. Let alone all the family drama.

Essentially I don't think 'work' friends are more or less likely to screw you over than friends (or relationships generally) made in any other setting, it's just this particular example that has happened to you.

If you are thinking the ones who are still there were never your real friends then surely you can't trust the people who are giving "enthusiastic" statements for you either, as you've said they've left the organisation so don't have any mixed loyalties. They might be "surprised and disgusted" NOW at the others but you've got no way of knowing if they'd have done the exact same thing if they'd still been working there, or, vice versa, if the friends you think have now betrayed you would have been similarly enthusiastic witnesses if they were no longer working there.

Saying that I don't think you should be feeling any guilt about doing whatever you need to do to support your side.

Dishwashersaurous · 27/10/2024 10:56

It's very rare to have to go to tribunal so it's not something that most people will think about on a day to day basis.

People can absolutely be friends at work.

But when it comes to keeping your own job, and thus paying the mortgage. That has to be the priority for people.

Ginkypig · 27/10/2024 10:57

Myotherhouseisatent · 27/10/2024 10:30

Thank you for this

I am trying to go with the idea that they were never truly my friends, but I can't make it make sense unless I am completely stupid because I really thought we were😥

The thing both can be true for some people. Humans have an amazing ability to compartmentalise things to make it as easy as possible to deal with.
even when they know they are behaving against what they should or being hurtful they manage to tell themselves whatever they need in order to follow through on whatever they need to.

i don’t like it and I try my best to not do that and live by my morals even if that has put me in the firing line but I’m not common.

i have met loads of people who on one hand are lovely but put them in a difficult situation and they manage to box different parts up and separate them so they can give themselves an excuse to make decisions or behave in certain ways that they know fine well are not ok. Infact iv seen people behave appallingly then tell themselves whatever they needed to to make it ok to live with.

so if that’s true for your friends at work then they might very well think of you as a friend and still have the ability to screw you over because their work is in one box and the friendship is in another.

that doesn’t change things for you because your are getting the brunt of what is basically adults lying to themselves to minimise their own parts in this.
they most likely did genuinely believe you were friends and that doesn’t take away some of your memories from before this and it is ok to remember those things fondly but that time has passed even if they tell themselves differently. You put the box system in place now. Friendship/after friendship.

you do whatever you need to even with the messages because you didn’t do this they brought themselves into it. You should use all tools at your disposal, you are not going after them or betraying them, you are using legitimate information that they opened up the option (actually forced you) to use and that’s ok.