To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Christ almighty, every adult in the world has to take responsibility for what they say or do, online or not. But someone keeps coming out with bullshit and everyone else must shut up about it because it might be a trauma response. Well I dont care if it is, take it somewhere else

I might have a trauma response to it, lots of people shared very personal stories of their life on here and are quite vulnerable in that respect.

And just to add I have a BMI of 29 so not a skinny or overly obese. I can’t take the drug because I had serious liver damage from using a common “safe” drug.
All drugs carry risks, but every side effect however low risk is not just a statistic it is actually a real person.
It can take decades for serious longterm side effects to emerge. Hopefully these drugs are not going to cause a mass problem.
Statins were taken off trials early because of their astounding ability to reduce cholesterol but are now viewed suspiciously because they cause muscle bulk loss and pain. We really do t know the side effects of weight loss drugs on the general population. They are great for obesity but are they ok when used as a vanity drug.

@Angrymum22 only people deliberately obtaining them fraudulently or obtaining vials of illegal drugs that claim to be the same as prescription medicines are able to use these drugs for vanity weight loss. I just don't understand why the constant need to fear monger at people who are legitimately prescribed these medicines for the intended purpose. I get that you're concerned due to experiencing a serious side effect from a different medicine, but no one should be regarding any prescription medication as "safe" - it's always a balance of benefit over risk.

A bmi of 29 isn't obese, not even near "overly obese". You can't take it because you won't meet the criteria anyway regardless of liver issues, unless you're of a different ethnicity (where obese is from a bmi of 27) or you have weight related condition. I'm not sure why that was brought up like you're choosing not to.

Secondly, this medicine is licensed for obese people. Talking about the general population, overweight people, slim people, people who use it for vanity reasons, young girls, those who'll fraudently get it and abuse it, etc is simply deflection and irrelevant unless it's a topic on its own about these issues when it comes to anything and any medication. Again, like I say in other WLI threads, it never is brought up as a general issue as it should be. It's just used as a way to discredit the medication itself and those it's meant for.

It's like someone who's taking painkillers for a condition being told to worry about those who're addicted to painkillers and those who'll get it from the black market and abuse it. It doesn't even make sense to be in the same conversation. It's almost like emotional blackmail. Why should I be burdened with a societal problem just because of a medication that others can potentially abuse out of the myriads of other medications that other people abuse?! Bizarre.

Angry mum, I’m not sure if you’re not reading the responses or deliberately ignoring them, and I’m a little astounded at your comments.

ifs possible to lose the weight through diet and exercise. Do you really think obese people have not tried this and found it impossible?

it’s a quick fix? Seriously? It’s far from that, we need to eat healthy. And effectively diet. It’s no more a quick fix than willpower and good mental health is. And drugs like mounjaro are safe to take for life, so people who need it, will stay on them. Not stop and just regain, why would you think that. And that’s a good thing we can stay on for life if required.

and we don’t know the long term effects? It’s been nearly 2 decades these drugs have been in use. How long would you like? 3? 5?

I would be cautious about taking medication long term that's fairly new on the market. There can't be long term history of side effects. I believe most people could lose the required weight themselves, if they put the effort in, myself included!

Who is suggesting they be used as a vanity drug? Why are you even asking that.

It can take decades for serious longterm side effects to emerge. Hopefully these drugs are not going to cause a mass problem

Yes that's where I'm at with it

Good god!

I swear people just plop in and plop their cliché post (posted for the 1000th time by similar folks) then go, never reading anything on the thread or caring about the accurate information shared.

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy

"There can't be long term history of side effects. I believe most people could lose the required weight themselves, if they put the effort in, myself included!"

GLP-1 receptor agonists in general have been researched since the 70s.

Semaglutide has been around for decades, and in clinical trials since at least 2008. No long term serious side effects have become apparent despite it being very widely used in major populated countries like the US.

Tirzepatide has been around for about 8 years, and been in large scale clinical trials. No long term serious side effects have become apparent during that time.

If obese people could lose the weight by putting in the effort, then why haven't they to date?? Seriously, why is there an obesity problem? Is it just because all obese pe open just love being obese and can't be arsed to put in any effort to lose weight?

Science is not on your side.

How long have you been taking them? Long term side effects are thing ? What are the side effects ?

There's lots to answer your questions regarding side effects on this thread and if you look up the medication in BNF. That should address your queries.

Nope this is not the case.

I’ve been on them for 18m. So medium term usage. Apart from initial tummy upsets (once 28 hours after first two jabs), no short term side effects, unless you count the appetite suppression which is actually a side effect of the GLP 1 agonist doing its job.

Medium impacts, ie side effects? Lowered cholesterol, improved thyroid efficiency, reduced inflammatory symptoms (so no joint pain and 2nd frozen shoulder surgery cancelled), reduced migraines to pretty much one or too moderate episodes a year (from several a week, often lasting days); no back pain, improved if not perfect bladder control after 16 years of post natal incontinence (despite major corrective vaginal sling surgery 13 years ago); improved mood. So, no longer taking anti depressant, anti inflammatories (my stomach is grateful for that one), no longer taking daily migraine prophylaxis nor multiple weekly simutriptan doses (nb highly addictive, as were the paracetamol and codeine that accompanied it); I no longer need a referral for statins/cardio or medication and reduced thyroid medication. All saving the NHS money.

All other blood tests are optimal indicating no underlying issues detected as yet.

That's fantastic
They are indeed the miracle drug that is being described
I think @Starbright885 is not so bright, and should try looking up side effects and long term use themselves, or read the information already posted, before asking such questions

I think trying to point out the facts is pointless. They are repeated ad nauseum in this thread, I think if posters are resentful , envious, whatever negative feeling they have, they are going to just keep ignoring the science and the facts and posting the same stuff over and over. Children, don’t know effects, do it by exercise, just the same stuff over and over. As acknowledging it wouldn’t fit their narrative.

I think it’s becoming clear this is all about envy and resentment. Which is just incredibly sad. Thay weight is such a difficult subject for them.

That sounds transformational, @CautiousLurker1 Especially heartening about the bladder improvement, which is 1000% a feminist issue.

Yes. I need to have a little crow.

I’m not quite at target, but am in size 10 clothes, able to wear heels again (jeez did those hurt before) and my husband is very amorous and proud of me.

But oddly, having gone from feeling invisible, fat and old aged 48, I now literally stop traffic at 55. If I need to cross the road, cars fricking stop for me again. Men notice me - make eye contact and smile - and an older twenty something bloke chatted me up in the pub the other week while I was buying wine for a friend and I on a rare girls night out. I’m not interested as I have a stable 32ye relationship/22 year marriage (and kids and dogs 🤣) but the boost to my ego has been huge.

I think some of these slim ladies enjoy that attention, thrive off it, and don’t want to share it. I’d just assumed I was too old to ever feel like a vaguely attractive woman again, despite having several beautiful, recently divorced friends in their fifties finding love again (oh, yeah, they’re slim too!)

YANBU

These get-slim-quick schemes and fad diets fail to teach one crucial thing - good eating and exercise habits.

Losing weight boils can to burning more calories than you consume. Thats it. It’s that simple. These daft weight loss schemes have high rates of people putting weight back on when they’re done because they go back to the same old habits rather than finding a new habit

I love hearing these stories. I’m not anywhere near target yet but I managed to look at myself in the mirror this morning and didn’t feel utter disgust! That’s a win for me and I can’t wait to feel the confidence you do. Bloody well done!

Wait, what? Obese people could make lifestyle changes to lose weight? Why the hell did nobody tell us this? We could just eat less and move more. I feel so stupid!

Seriously, the standard weight loss advice is known by literally everyone and has been pushed as the answer to obesity for decades. In that time how many people have been helped by it? A negative number in fact as obesity has been increasing.

These injections are a tool for people with significant obesity. Not a quick fix for someone who wants to lose a dress size for an event. They are life changing (and extending) for the target group.

The issue with these drugs is they are not addressing the real problem. People are eating the wrong things because these are the foods that are advertised, put on special offer and are the biggest earning products for supermarkets. It is UPFs which are probably the issue and leading directly to obesity and this is not being addressed. Personally I think they should be banned.

So dumb
How do you think people lose weight on these medications, do you think the fat melts away?

They do so by healthy diet and these meds support people to choose that healthy diet.

Science isn't your strong point, eh?.

Oh come on, did you not know is fat people are stupid as well as greedy and lazy. I’m so glad that posters are telling us to run round more and eat less. I’m so thick that I just can’t retain that information in my head long enough to waddle between the sofa and fridge!!!

Honestly I think some of these people really need to engage their brain. I’m wondering if they still think balancing the humours is a panacea for all diseases! They’ve probably got leeches where the rest of us have paracetamol