To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

This.

I take Wegovy, still feel hungry and still have to watch what I eat and exercise regularly, the medication makes it easier and more sustainable. I needed to lose a considerable amount of weight that would inevitably leed to health issues. Ive tried every diet going, sometimes they worked but I struggled to maintain the changes. I also have PCOS which makes weight loss more difficult. Just because there are some people exploiting the jabs doesn't mean they aren't hugely beneficial for the vast majority that need them.

Yes, and the concern is so obviously fake because OP did a dump and run. Clearly had an agenda - to lure one or both sides of this ‘debate’ out and create conflict. Even where we are trying to suggest nuance: Ie, no one is forced to take it so don’t take it if you have doubts and, of those that do, they do so for a myriad of personal and/or medical reasons so not anyone else's business.

Never see this debate about the people who push through headache and migraines v the ones that take paracetamol and simutriptan (both of which have significant life threatening implications if taken to excess or if you have an adverse side effect, and also the potential to cause addiction). But of course, people aren’t judged on SM or by each other for having a headache. Just for being fat v slim.

I also never see this same debate targetted at people who take the same drug for T2 diabetes. I've known 2 people effectively reverse diabetes and control blood sugars long term with diet and no drugs, but no one then accuses someone who uses drugs to help manage T2, of cheating.

(And I am not saying people with diabetes should feel bad about using the drugs - them doing so no more devalues the hard work of the two people I know than someone taking them for weight loss devalues someone who lost weight without them).

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Never see this debate about the people who push through headache and migraines v the ones that take paracetamol and simutriptan (both of which have significant life threatening implications if taken to excess or if you have an adverse side effect, and also the potential to cause addiction). But of course, people aren’t judged on SM or by each other for having a headache. Just for being fat v slim

so fat people are vilified, judged and ridiculed for being fat

or vilified, judged and ridiculed for taking advantage of medical treatment to do something about it.

m’kay…

honestly, these threads where the ignorant and judgemental busybodies feel compelled to share their wisdom on subjects they have fuck all knowledge of just need to be met with 999 posts of FUCK OFF!

Next time I make a lemsip, I shall berate myself for cheating and tell myself that I should just power through.

i will also tell myself I’m failing at life when I pop my next iron tablet.

how dare I!? 🤣🤣🤣. I just need to woman up and do anaemia like a champ.

Sorry, not sure if you have misunderstood my post as it feels like you are arguing against me when my point, obviously, was that posters being motivated to criticise people who are overweight is the only reason they are singling out this medication. Otherwise the faux concern could be applied to many many other drugs that also have a history of being addictive and or have potentially debilitating side effects… yet we all happily take those?

Reading this thread, and looking at some of the nonsensical and bordering on hysterical reasons why people shouldn’t use medication to help them lose weight being put forward, what it tells me is the people posting this sort of stuff have signficant issues with their own weight, whatever end of the spectrum it is, and food.

Thats what’s driving this. The arguments are illogical when positioned against the whole context.

the benefits, in terms of reducing weight related health issues, the saving to nhs, , quality of life, the elimination of the struggles mentally and physically obese people have had, or even the evidenced safety of the drugs.

it’s all ignored to argue about pen shortages, children, and erroneous and pretend comments on the drugs themselves. Even arguing it’s an easy weight out and people should do it the hard way.

it all boils down to the people posting these arguments have their own signficant issues they are not revealing, that is causing them to be deeply unhappy these arguably life saving medications are now available.

I honestly couldn't care less about other people's weight tbh, I barely care about mine. I find the DIY approach to medicine weird, yeah - I'm not sure I'd want to get a prescription for anything from someone who hadn't seen my medical record or physically examined me or had a chance to actually talk to me. It seems like a depressing move away from actual health care. But if it works for other people, sure.

@Frogglingalong Tell the NHS that too! These days it's basically impossible to get an appointment with my GP surgery, you have to do an e-consult initially. You might get a phone call but not an actual face-to-face appointment. The online prescriber has got my medical history because I told them it, and they have seen photos of me at my initial starting weight. They would have messaged me further if they had any other questions. I really can't get hung up over that happening via messaging rather than via an audio call. Any private medicine is what you call a "DIY" approach, people are able to choose non-NHS services if that's what they prefer, in many different contexts. That's not a new thing.

The doctor who prescribed has your medical record

Last time I had a rash, GP looked at photos I uploaded

Lots of medicine has moved to this-

Any particular reason you resent it for weight loss medication??? Think about that for yourself, no need to answer me.

I presume @Frogglingalong falls into the category described so well here by Bossy gal

Yeah, same here - econsult and a phone call if I am lucky - and that may actually be from one of those new practice prescribers, NOT a doctor anyway. Only had one face to face appointment, for my son, since before covid/lockdown ie since 2019.

At least the diet clinic I attend only uses qualified doctors or nurse prescribers and issues scripts after a monthly 15m zoom call. If they have queries they refer to the endocrinologist who owns the clinic and revert back. I have even had a 60min zoom face to face with him for my son’s programme (who has then spoken to and written to my GP). I know not all clinics are equal, but being able to talk through the issues with an experienced clinical team was easier through this than being able to access anyone at my GP - who, incidentally, also refused point blank to refer my autie son to the paediatric weight management service because the wait time is over 2 years and he’d have aged out by then.

More and more is done by pharmacists now. I think the last 2-3 things I needed medication for have been prescribed and provided by a pharmacist, not a GP. Prior to that, I got a breast lump referral off the back of an online message to my GP who never spoke to me, never saw me.

I don't think I have actually SEEN a NHS GP in real life for over a decade.

Personally, before I went on the WLM I did see a private video GP as it was free through work - to check they would not flag any concerns as an indpendent advisor. They talked to me about my own medical history and said they could not prescribe or recommend the drug to me because that's not the cover I had, but could say they would have had no concerns if I'd come to them having already taken it and did have a number of clients they knew had done very well on the drugs. The pharmacist I went to offers phone consultations, required ID and photos and writes to my GP every time they provide a pen, to inform them.

My GP literally prescribes over the phone these days for almost everything. They only see children. With work, I have AXA so I can also see a GP or nurse online which I’ve been using as you get an appointment quick enough and so efficient. Obviously if I’m experiencing something that needs urgent attention or I need to be seen physically then I’ll insist on seeing a GP otherwise, everything has moved on.
These medicines and jabs are here to stay. If people are able to live a happy and healthy life because of this, it’s their life, why will you begrudge them.

I presume you dont see a doctor every time you take a paracetamol though

And 'examined in person', I cant remember the last time Ive seen a doctor at an appointment, they either issue a script following my phone call to the surgery without me having seen or spoken to any medical professional, or give me a phone consultation if Im lucky that might be with the doctor, it might be with a nurse at the surgery or with a prescribing pharmacist at the surgery.

DIY is where its at these days.

Because they are correcting a problem that is causing the diabetes. The drug is primarily for blood glucose control. If you haven’t got diabetes what is it doing to your healthy body.
You wouldn’t take antihypertensives if your blood pressure is normal. It could result in life threatening low blood pressure.
Using weight loss drugs when you are not obese has been untested.
Blood glucose physiology is complex, so using drugs that lower blood glucose primarily when you have normal blood glucose could be dangerous.

@Angrymum22 These medications are for use by those who are obese, and have been tested on that cohort of people. People who are obese are by definition not healthy, because of obesity even if no other issues are yet apparent. I don't think that these medications should be used by anyone who is not obese, I'm only talking about weight loss for those who are in the obese category. The effects of semaglutide, tirzepatide are well known and understood in these groups.

I have no issue with people who are obese/morbidly obese using these medications under medical supervision but they have not been tried and tested on slightly overweight women who have body image issues. Being half a stone overweight is very different from 6+ stone overweight.
The big risk is if these meds are sourced by people who have eating disorders. Currently the regulations are tight, but with the licences running out the drugs formulas will be available to the Chinese and Indian pharmaceutical companies. This will solve the current shortages but at the same time, the nature of this drug means that it is ripe for the black market trade.

A little piece of information for anyone with teenage daughters. If you seem to be getting through a lot of paracetamol it may be because teenage girls use it to ease hunger pain when they are trying to control/loose weight.
Imagine the explosion in the use of weight loss drugs when they come off licence and cost peanuts.
Would you be happy for your teenage daughter to use these drugs? Ten years ago there was a major issue with DNP sold illegally over the internet. Are we going to see an epidemic of problems?

@Angrymum22 when will the generic versions become available in the UK?

So many drugs are open to abuse in the wrong circumstances but life changing for those in the right circumstances. Why are these drugs in particular generating so much concern I wonder?

Sorry ! no not disagreeing with you at all! much to the contrary, i wanted to highlight that part - you are so right.

lol @Angrymum22 I'd be less worried about my teens on MJ than the widely available illegal drugs that teens have easy access to these days.

The patent runs out in 2026 for Ozempic (Semaglutide)
It appears that Mounjaro (tirzepatide) will not come off patent until 2039.
Mounjaro is more effective but will cost a fortune for well over the next ten years.
If you are offered cheap Moinjaro be very cautious.