To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

But people try to obtain many drugs fraudulently, for many reasons.
Most providers ask for photos etc, but like most of medicine, they rely on the patient's honesty when they come to seek help and treatment.
They are not detectives.

This is true across medicine, not just regarding WLI

And why mention withdrawn drugs if that's not what you're implying is likely to happen with these weight loss drugs? You introduced the concept of the possibility of these drugs being withdrawn, so why then object to people analysing that idea?

Yes the long term affects which I mentioned in my own post.

You do you.

Re photo requirements for the online pharmacies….

Yes it does appear that you can get through their online questionnaires/ consultations and lie, then pay your money. But if you’re doing a sneaky test to prove us wrong that they prescribe without photos, you are mistaken….

Those of us who actually order it know that a GMC registered doctor will contact you after payment is received asking for evidence/ photos and possibly ID. Just cause you paid doesn’t mean you’re getting the prescription. If you don’t qualify they will refund you- that is how it works.

I don’t think it’s wise to spread misinformation if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Leave it to those of us who actually know, who post on the weight loss board.

But I'm asking you why you think these particular medications are particularly likely to have as yet unknown long term side effects, which haven't as yet affected anyone who has taken them over the last approx 10 years?

You have to have a picture of you holding a piece of paper with the date on it, you can't just send in any old photo so your friend isn't being honest about where she's got the medication.

To be fair, I used a registered pharmacy and only had to send a photo, no dated piece of paper required.

I don't disagree with you.

But I do think WL meds are different to most other meds because of the sheer scale and numbers of (particularly young impressionable girls) people that will want these drugs. Weight loss is a massive million dollar industry and many people want to lose weight and are looking for an answer.

A weight loss drug that actually works is almost like a drug to stop aging or a drug that can give you money each time you take it. It is the gem, the needle in the haystack, the object of desire.

The media around these jabs is also not something you can miss and v different to media about other drugs. We know how young people are impacted and impressionable and the pressure on teens to be slim etc.. Everywhere we look we see slim as the sold ideal. Disordered eating among teens is a big problem.

I don't think there is a comparable drug and a comparable problem among young people, as these weight loss drugs and pressure to look a certain way. I just don't think you can compare these weight loss drugs to other drugs.

I didn't have to send a picture of me holding a piece of paper with the date on. I did have to send a picture, but no date required.

Because they have only been available for weight loss for a relatively short time. Until 2021 they were used on diabetics who just happened to be obese and the weight loss was a side effect.
There is no evidence that they are safe in users who are non diabetic or just overweight. There are nearly 10000 yellow card reports for semaglutide since 2019. And those reports will be mainly from NHS prescribed courses.
It’s unlikely that private prescriptions are being reported.
Compare to liraglutide which has 4000 reports since 2008. On paper a safer drug.
One area that the weight loss drugs should not be considered for use is if you are trying to get pregnant. They will not be licensed for use during pregnancy or breastfeeding.
Obviously you can use the drug prior to ttc but risky if actively ttc. No modern drugs are tested for safety during pregnancy or breastfeeding as it would be unethical.

I smell bullshit.

@Angrymum22 so it's semaglutide that you're particularly concerned with?

Semaglutide is not used for people of a healthy weight who aren't diabetic, nor for people who are just overweight. Semaglutide is also not prescribed to pregnant women, women who are breastfeeding or those who are trying to conceive. Advice is given about using effective contraception and about the pill being potentially less effective. None of that is about side effects of course.

I'm curious as to what the mechanism is that would make semaglutide too risky for weight loss but ok for people with diabetes.

I didn't have to send any pucture at all (Numans)

You sound a lot like me. I started these injections at almost 18 stone at was living in daily hell trying to stop eating sugary treats. Two back to back pregnancies and starting anti depressants which seemed to fuel my sugar addiction i couldn't take any more of it.

I'm also waiting for an ADHD diagnosis and I've struggled with addiction my whole life, alcohol, sugar, pills, nicotine. You name it! I never knew my addictions issues could be linked to the ADHD and I've always been curious of the cause, especially as I hadn't suffered any real trauma to trigger them but I think you hit the nail on the head when you described the dopamine hit.

The fact is people enjoyed looking down smugly on fatties, judging them for their supposed lack of self control.
Now it turns out that obese people simply have less glp-1 than them,and injecting a synthetic hormone to mimick it and level yhe playing field,well it doesn't fit in with their narrative, and spoils their fun!

I thought it was well known that muscle is reduced along with fat, so weight bearing exercises are necessary if using WLI. I foresee a very obvious side effect to be muscle wastage over long term use for people who tend to be
inactive anyway and it’s much harder to build muscle as you age.

Ah the soothsayers and foreseers in every WLI thread. They do always "foresee" the worst but it's more like wishful thinking from them hoping to say 'I told you so' if their hopes and dreams come true.

If inactive/less active people (such as people with mobility issues, other disabilities that prevent much movement) were to lose weight the "hard and natural way" by just watching what they eat without Mounjaro, they'd still have "muscle wastage" but I doubt that muscle wastage is concerning to these people. It only is because there's a medicine that makes it easier to lose weight (by watching what you eat still) and the "seers" can't help themselves but be the bringer of doom and gloom.

Everything will be thrown at WLI and its users just out of sheer ignorance, jealousy, envy, stupidity, you name it.

Another one who doesnt know what they're talking about. Its just normal weight loss, theres nothing different to it than if someone lost weight without the medication in terms of what you physically lose

All weight loss loses some muscle, for those who have lost a lot of weight, they will lose some muscle, weight bearing exercises are necessary full stop.

I like the snide little throw in of 'people who tend to be inactive anyway',, all those fatties just sitting around all day on their big fat arses isnt it.

Once again like in every WLI, for the posters going on about Semaglutide and the US, Mounjaro is Tirzepatide.

'inactive anyway' - ignorant, rude, and wrong

You are desperate for obese people to stay obese, aren't you?
The fact that it's a treatable medical condition, and will be eradicated, is bad news to you

Go ask yourself why you think like this? What is WRONG with you?

There will be a lot more of this sort of kickback, big industry does not want people to eat less remember, we have a whole food and retail industry surviving on people eating and drinking too much

I dont know if those types of posters are anything to do with food producers and manufacturers but there will continue to be smear campaigns about anything that looks as if it will offer real success to change our food environment

Crikey! 😳

It's the nastiness and sheer evil heart of foreseeing wishing all these things (muscle wastage, looking gaunt, unhealthy, doubling the weight, possible death, cancer, horrible health complications, etc that people have said about WLI users) on 'fatties' in the guise of foreseeing rubbish just because there's an aid to help lose weight. It's a bit sadistic. At least there are some who admit to their jealousy or envy but some of these other ones...creepy.

In the uk, also approved for weight loss earlier in the USA. As you say these drugs have been around for a very long time, and used by millions globally over that period. It’s really not a case of they invented them and they were approved for this purpose with limited knowledge. I think many people just don’t understand how onerous the trials and hoops are that pharmaceutical companies need to jump through to get approvals.it is extensive.

although I guess that doesn’t suit the narrative.

I think it comes down to one of the posters on a similar thread - who, after being repeatedly questioned WHY they were so concerned about what someone else was taking and why it was important to them to point out it was 'cheating' finally said: [it] Devalues everyone else's hard work on diet and exercise.

These threads always go the same way. They start with concern but, sooner or later, it comes to light that (at least for some posters) it's because they think someone else taking a drug somehow robs them of some intrinsic slim-value.