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To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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Pineconecollector · 23/10/2024 09:58

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

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SilenceInside · 23/10/2024 19:40

@bakewellbride why do you think the injections produce faster results? What are "better" results when it comes to weight loss?

The injections don't produce faster weight loss, they simply produce weight loss for those who have found it not possible to manage weight loss without assistance.

Thommasina · 23/10/2024 19:42

I do think therapy can help to unpick a bad relationship with food, but it won't necessarily help you to lose weight

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 19:45

bakewellbride · 23/10/2024 19:37

@SilenceInside it's a quick fix because it's using drugs to achieve faster / better results. Obviously a 'slow fix' would be healthy living but people don't know how to do that / mentally feel unable to do so or a bit of both so they use the injections. Each to their own but personally I find it sad that the world has got to this stage.

Given the trauma I went through growing up, I want it to be easy for a while

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 19:49

And when I say easy, I don't mean it's an easy way out. I'm still working hard. It's just nowhere near as hard as it used to be. It felt like I was swimming in treacle before. Now I feel like I'm navigating life without all that baggage.

ChangeHasCome · 23/10/2024 19:49

Fourfurrymonsters · 23/10/2024 19:33

It’s crazy to me that there’s pages and pages of info in this very thread explaining how the jabs work, that they’re not a “quick fix”, that they actually encourage that healthy lifestyle and that they’re being trialled for many other conditions such as alcoholism and dementia…but here you are, having read or retained none of that and just spouting forth.

The 3 things people like this all have in common -their eyes, ears and minds are closed. Understanding and/or retention of proper WL information is completely lacking. I don't know if it's deliberate or not. I want to believe it is intentional because people can't be that dense and arrogant about it at the same time.

The same people will go off to another WLJ thread and spout the same rubbish no matter what you say to them.

BetterInColour · 23/10/2024 19:57

PP had it right. We need to ask what's gone wrong in food production and regulation in the US and UK. This is not really very usefully understood at the level of individuals. Look at the population trends and look at the changes in food production over the last 30 years

I agree. Food isn't food any more. It's awful stuff, meat is full of water (in fact, it's advertised as 'not with added water' if it isn't!), meat is less nutritious, vegetables bred to be watery and bulky, apples, carrots, hardly anything is as delicious and as nutritious as it was in the past, and that's what research shows.

I also know, though, that the food industry has been allowed to run rampant through society, supermarkets make their money on mainly processed 'enhanced' foods and 50% of what babies and toddlers eat is UPF.

So, there's going to be no major change to this food landscape. Weight loss injections (soon to be pills) are a partial and not ideal solution to that, but we clearly don't have very many others if the majority of people are overweight or obese once they hit middle-age and above.

I would love to see far more government intervention around food. It's not happening though.

I don't think anyone sees these drugs as a miracle cure for society, perhaps a miracle in their own lives given what they've been through. Ideally, we would have access to better quality food, not have to work dual income families to afford rent/housing (so one person can prepare food at home), not have such long working hours, but in the absence of this, and in the absence of any real solution to increasing obesity in the past forty years, I think these drugs are probably good rather than bad.

wavingfuriously · 23/10/2024 20:14

Motnight · 23/10/2024 17:35

How is it a quick fix?

Because it would normally take a much longer time to lose the weight without this drug

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:16

@wavingfuriously so? So what? Do you want fat people to be fat forever?

SilenceInside · 23/10/2024 20:16

@wavingfuriously no, the injections don't produce faster weight loss, they help people to lose weight who otherwise wouldn't lose weight at all.

Searchingforthelight · 23/10/2024 20:25

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:16

@wavingfuriously so? So what? Do you want fat people to be fat forever?

Yes
We can conclude there is a subset of society that would like the majority to be overweight and obese

Searchingforthelight · 23/10/2024 20:26

wavingfuriously · 23/10/2024 20:14

Because it would normally take a much longer time to lose the weight without this drug

Nope
Wrong

Bossygal · 23/10/2024 20:34

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 18:16

It'll be available on the NHS soon enough.

It already is, for those with a bmi over 40, and I think health conditions, not below that, I guess due to the huge cost.

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:37

@Bossygal they're not going to be as expensive to the NHS as they are to people buying privately, and they're going to be rolled out more widely soon as well

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 20:44

I lied to get mounjaron on an e-pharmacy website. When it arrived I injected myself with one shot and immediately panicked. I read all the side effects and it basically said you stand a high chance of getting thyroid cancer, as well as listing a million other side effects.

I had a huge 'what the hell are you doing' moment. I looked at the sharps box I'd been sent, the injector pen thing that I wasn't really sure I was using properly, and I thought 'what the f'? 'what am I doing?' 'this is madness'.

Yes, I've wanted to be thin my whole life. Yes, I'm at the end of my tether with it. But NO, I don't want to give myself cancer. No, I don't want to die just for a thinner belly.

I threw the rest away and am trying to avoid reading any articles on these weight loss jabs.

The media is full of stories of thin celebs taking this jab and getting thinner. It made me think - "well that's not fair! If they can do it why can't I?" Sharon Osborne was the most annoying! I saw her and thought 'how come you get to have this miracle cure when you've got enough money for all the personal trainers and everything else you could need. It's not fair!!' and that was a bad message for me to tell myself.

I was bulimic in my teens and twenties, and while I'm 20 years past that now, the 'i must get thin' mentality still haunts me and these weight loss jabs are really annoying as I feel the pull towards them every day. But they r bad news. I'm now running and trying to eat healthy instead, which I know is better for my body and my health.

Bossygal · 23/10/2024 20:48

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:37

@Bossygal they're not going to be as expensive to the NHS as they are to people buying privately, and they're going to be rolled out more widely soon as well

Can you link to that? But that’s great news, I’d start a thread and share that with everyone. Obvs with the back up evidencing it. And clarify what soon is.

and it’s not the cost of the meds on an individual basis, it’s the millions of people who will want it. And honestly the nhs is so stretched. On saying that though if you’ve confirmation it’d being rolled out soon on the nhs link to it and share, as the NICE paper I read didn’t indicate this,

ChangeHasCome · 23/10/2024 20:49

So you lied to get it, started injecting without really knowing what you were doing, obviously not reading the information sent with the pen or any resources about it before you began or waiting to be confident before injecting controlled medication into your body, became afraid of your choices and are now here to tell us that WL medication is bad news?

Mmmkay

Waboofoo · 23/10/2024 20:49

bakewellbride · 23/10/2024 19:37

@SilenceInside it's a quick fix because it's using drugs to achieve faster / better results. Obviously a 'slow fix' would be healthy living but people don't know how to do that / mentally feel unable to do so or a bit of both so they use the injections. Each to their own but personally I find it sad that the world has got to this stage.

Don’t feel sad for me! After years struggling with weight gain I’m finally slim, looking and feeling great. My HbA1C is down. Life is good!

Why on earth are you sad about this? I’m going into middle age with no diabetes risk, less likely to have hypertension/ heart disease and strokes. I’m no longer taking asthma inhalers. If I can keep the weight off (and I believe I can) statistically I have a good chance of saving the NHS a lot of money.

I hope to be living in good health as I age now- of course you can never predict the future, but I have invested in improving my baseline health. So taxpayers should be thanking us, not calling us unwise for looking after our (and the nation’s) health!

Bossygal · 23/10/2024 20:50

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 20:44

I lied to get mounjaron on an e-pharmacy website. When it arrived I injected myself with one shot and immediately panicked. I read all the side effects and it basically said you stand a high chance of getting thyroid cancer, as well as listing a million other side effects.

I had a huge 'what the hell are you doing' moment. I looked at the sharps box I'd been sent, the injector pen thing that I wasn't really sure I was using properly, and I thought 'what the f'? 'what am I doing?' 'this is madness'.

Yes, I've wanted to be thin my whole life. Yes, I'm at the end of my tether with it. But NO, I don't want to give myself cancer. No, I don't want to die just for a thinner belly.

I threw the rest away and am trying to avoid reading any articles on these weight loss jabs.

The media is full of stories of thin celebs taking this jab and getting thinner. It made me think - "well that's not fair! If they can do it why can't I?" Sharon Osborne was the most annoying! I saw her and thought 'how come you get to have this miracle cure when you've got enough money for all the personal trainers and everything else you could need. It's not fair!!' and that was a bad message for me to tell myself.

I was bulimic in my teens and twenties, and while I'm 20 years past that now, the 'i must get thin' mentality still haunts me and these weight loss jabs are really annoying as I feel the pull towards them every day. But they r bad news. I'm now running and trying to eat healthy instead, which I know is better for my body and my health.

What drug were you on that said a High chance of thyroid cancer? It’s not mounjaro, so which one is it?

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 20:53

ChangeHasCome · 23/10/2024 20:49

So you lied to get it, started injecting without really knowing what you were doing, obviously not reading the information sent with the pen or any resources about it before you began or waiting to be confident before injecting controlled medication into your body, became afraid of your choices and are now here to tell us that WL medication is bad news?

Mmmkay

Yes. I was stupid. I have experienced significant body issues my whole life. Sometimes that can lead to people getting desperate. I can well imagine that people with anorexia and bulimia will be driven to try these injections. I am 100% sure that had these injections been available when I was at the height of bulimia, I not only would have got hold of them, but reading the side effects and scaring myself.wouldnt have stopped me injecting. And that could have killed me back then.

I think you r trying to criticise me for my post. Not sure why. I'm just giving my honest experience, but yes, I'd did wrong. What would you like me to say exactly?

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 20:54

Bossygal · 23/10/2024 20:50

What drug were you on that said a High chance of thyroid cancer? It’s not mounjaro, so which one is it?

Yeah, it was mounjaro. That's what the leaflet said. I'm pretty sure it was thyroid cancer.

Pickingmyselfup · 23/10/2024 20:54

As someone "skinny" who is constantly hungry because I do a lot of running I think they are a great idea.

I am definitely putting on weight because I'm eating more than I burn. The cravings and the need for food is ridiculous but it's so hard to switch it off. I can lose weight and I have but juggling weight loss with a ravishing hunger is hard work. I could stop running, I could stop weight lifting, even walking the kids to school but that wouldn't help because we need to keep ourselves moving plus I enjoy being competitive with myself and trying to beat my time.

If I could get the jab I would because being constantly hungry (more than I should be) is exhausting. For someone who doesn't have the time to even exercise a little bit still has a similar hunger cue it's a nightmare!

Thommasina · 23/10/2024 20:55

ChangeHasCome · 23/10/2024 20:49

So you lied to get it, started injecting without really knowing what you were doing, obviously not reading the information sent with the pen or any resources about it before you began or waiting to be confident before injecting controlled medication into your body, became afraid of your choices and are now here to tell us that WL medication is bad news?

Mmmkay

I think it was an honest post and I don't for a second think this poster is alone.

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 21:00

CoffeeAndATwix · 23/10/2024 20:54

Yeah, it was mounjaro. That's what the leaflet said. I'm pretty sure it was thyroid cancer.

This is from the national institute of health (I think):

"MOUNJARO may cause serious side effects, including: Possible thyroid tumors, including cancer..."

SilenceInside · 23/10/2024 21:01

I've just checked the patient info leaflet form my most recent Mounjaro prescription and there is absolutely nothing there about any kind of cancer.

Bossygal · 23/10/2024 21:02

ChangeHasCome · 23/10/2024 20:49

So you lied to get it, started injecting without really knowing what you were doing, obviously not reading the information sent with the pen or any resources about it before you began or waiting to be confident before injecting controlled medication into your body, became afraid of your choices and are now here to tell us that WL medication is bad news?

Mmmkay

Yes I’m completely thrown by that post, it’s so utterly odd. I know of no diabetic or weight loss medication that says it’s a “high chance of thyroid cancer”, good lord, such a thing wouldn’t be licensed,

all I can think is the poster made it up to try to put people off them as she can’t afford them,

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