To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

@Leniriefenstahl I was just using statins as an example of widely prescribed drugs that have a lot side affects. A lot more side affects than Mounjaro. They lower cholesterol but many obese people don’t have high cholesterol once they lose weight with Mounjaro. It’s a drug much closer in composition to the natural hormone it mimics with less side affects.

It's jealousy, somehow, some annoyance that being slim will become usual, rather than 70% of adults overweight

I'm open about taking it, as I'd like others to know they work. I'd like every obese person to be treated and get their health back. Being obese is absolutely miserable and now can be eradicated.

I am stating it as a treatment no differently to taking an antihypertensive or whatever. It's a treatment for a condition that works brilliantly.

What's not to love?!

@Searchingforthelight I'm open with a lot of people but not him because my weight is a complicated thing for me and I'm not dealing with the comments

Saying food is addictive gives you the opportunity to blame it on something other than yourself. Are you insinuating that people who are obese just can’t control themselves because food’s like crack and it’s out of their hands ? Do obese people actually even eat more than other non obese people ? If food is addictive why isn’t everyone
obese ?

Well that's like saying why isn't everyone who drinks an alcoholic.

If alcohol is addictive why isn't everyone an alcoholic? Could it be that people are different?

Do you understand how addiction works?

In that same vein, if some people are addicted to alcohol, drugs, shopping, sex, etc why isn't everyone? Honestly!

Read up on:

The reward system
Addictions
Leptin
Ghrelin
as well as actually reading up on the weight loss medications and specifically their mechanisms of action

Don't feel embarrassed that you've demonstrated both your prejudice and your ignorance
Instead learn something and stop spreading misinformation

Off to have a chuckle about the 'therapy' and 'lessons learned'

The ignorance of those who are so itching to criticise this medication and those on it is laughable when you see what they post. Absolutely bonkers, the lack of knowledge of what they're criticising.

@Leniriefenstahl that's literally how it works and it's genetic and hormonal predisposition but I guess it's easier to criticise people

So every obese person has an unhealthy life threatening relationship with food like an alcoholic has with alcohol ? Not buying it.
My partner is probably 4 or 5 stone overweight. He’s tall and active so hides it tbh. He did Ironman almost 10 years ago fgs but he eats too much. He isn’t tortured or addicted to food, he genuinely likes food, rather he loves food. I think people are reluctant to admit that and turn it into some MH issue a la food noise. We all have that to a certain extent. Most struggle with their weight.

@Leniriefenstahl why do you think you or your husband are indicative of all obese people? Really it's odd to decide that your personal experience or that of your husband is the best source of information on this. If your husband is obese, but has a healthy relationship with food then presumably he can lose the weight whenever he likes, and has done in the past. He clearly then doesn't have the same relationship with food that someone who moves further into obesity has.

@Leniriefenstahl Do you think that at least some people have an unhealthy relationship with food in a similar way to alcoholics with alcohol? Or do you deny that completely?

Seriously read up on the areas I've listed
Then you'll 'buy it'

Or don't
Stay ill informed and science free, as you are

PP had it right. We need to ask what's gone wrong in food production and regulation in the US and UK. This is not really very usefully understood at the level of individuals. Look at the population trends and look at the changes in food production over the last 30 years.

Yanbu it's a dreadful idea and a 'quick fix'. Much better to live a healthy lifestyle - which you'd have to do once you come off it anyway! It's crazy to me.

I dont think the majority of the obese have a MH issue or even what would be a clinical addiction

But if you dont think that why were you suggesting counselling and therapy? For what?

The reality is many of us have a physical make up that makes eating too much a physical need or physical attribute and in a society where that is cheap and easy and socially acceptable, a medication to support that, is what is required. Its that simple, there is nothing else round the edges

I dread to think how you make your partner feel

@Leniriefenstahl are you ignoring all of the comments?

I grew up fat. I didn't eat a lot more than my peers when I was younger, I was chubby. Sure my parents could've maybe done something about it, but they had a lot more going on.

When I was 11 I was sexually assaulted and turned to food. In therapy we worked out that I was subconsciously trying to make myself bigger, to make myself unappealing to men.

I was bullied horrifically in school. I self harmed, was suicidal and was told by the doctor to lose weight. When I was 14, I would starve myself to the point of only eating 500 calories across a week because I was convinced that was the way to lose weight. I lost 50 pounds doing that and then put it all back on and more.

I was crying out for mental health support and didn't get any, because I was viewed as just being an attention seeking fat girl. Because fat people can't have eating disorders right?

My nan used food as a comfort. I used to associate the "bad" foods with the comfort of being at her house. It was my safe space. I would curl up on her sofa after school, she'd stroke my hair and I'd sleep, before she fed me with all the treats I wanted, because she could tell I was hurting and didn't know what else to do.

That led to a very complicated relationship with food. When I went to uni I lost all semblance of self control. I had never, EVER, had a healthy relationship with food modelled to me. None of my family have one.

When I came home from uni I decided I wanted to lose weight. It was a complicated, long journey. I worked out my TDEE, I exercised, I would lose 1-2 pounds a week. Then I'd stall, my period would come and I could gain up to 7-10 pounds just from bloating. It would totally demoralise me. If I'd had a low calorie day I'd feel triggered right back to those school days where I'd restrict so much and then the next day I'd overeat to "compensate". I lost a chunk of weight naturally but it was hard, and it ruined my mental health.

I would cry about my body, I'd have a bath and I'd sob and wish I could cut the fat out of my body. I nearly skipped out on concerts because I felt too fat to go. I didn't think I was worth being alive, because I hated my body that much and it wouldn't do the "right thing" by losing weight when I ate less and moved more.

I started the jabs because I was at my wits end. And guess what? All of that has gone away. I can work through the years of trauma and anxiety, because it was trauma. I can work through all of those feelings, without the cravings.

But it's not mental health, right? It's not me suffering, for years. It's me being a lazy gluttonous pig.

Which aspect of the injections do you think are a quick fix? How quickly do they work and would it be better if it was a "slow fix"?

Theres a brilliant bariatric doctor/surgeon in the US, he has a youtube channel called Pound of Cure, facebook also

He does a number of episodes of his Pound of Cure on there and one of them highlights the way the economics work in the US around the various lobby groups, guess who has the most money and therefore lobbying power - clue - it isnt the fruit and veg producers!

He also highlights the huge huge increase in how much sugar is consumed by the average american in the last hundred years, cant remember the exact amounts it but it was something like 3x the amount from 1910 to 2010 or something.

What about if one self flagellates whilst one is on the ‘quick fix’ jab? Would that help the haters feel better I wonder?

It’s crazy to me that there’s pages and pages of info in this very thread explaining how the jabs work, that they’re not a “quick fix”, that they actually encourage that healthy lifestyle and that they’re being trialled for many other conditions such as alcoholism and dementia…but here you are, having read or retained none of that and just spouting forth.

Even though I wouldn't necessarily reduce it to a "quick fix" because you still have to do the work - it just makes it easier for you do it, what is wrong with a quick fix? People just trot that phrase out like it's a magic judgement of morals. What other quick fixes/shortcuts do you take in life or do you follow the long, hard and natural way with everything including trivial things?

Do you grow all your own food to avoid chemicals?
Do you walk everywhere so you don't pollute the earth?
Do you empty your waste in compost?
Do you use microwave/electric kettles instead of the natural way of warming up food/water?
Do you take any medication for headaches, dental pain, etc instead of dealing with pain naturally?
Do you use a gym, treadmill, hello fresh, supermarket home delivery, fit bit, smartphone, alexa, AI, etc anything that makes any of these tasks easier?

Aren't all these things and more quick fixes/shortcuts/easier ways - and a lot of them are actually unnecessary?

@SilenceInside it's a quick fix because it's using drugs to achieve faster / better results. Obviously a 'slow fix' would be healthy living but people don't know how to do that / mentally feel unable to do so or a bit of both so they use the injections. Each to their own but personally I find it sad that the world has got to this stage.

Exactly.
This poster is highly confused @@Leniriefenstahl
is both recommending 'therapy' and 'counselling' so 'lessons are learned', while denigrating obesity as if the obese are making up a 'MH issue'

Which is it, you confused @Leniriefenstahl

Ridiculous nonsense from the science-free