To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

@wavingfuriously oh and ibuprofen, it nearly killed my dad

How is it a quick fix?

I think women are expected to suffer!

Nothing in the world is absolutely safe in any case, 'safe' doesnt exist in the real world

Driving isnt safe
Waking up in the morning isnt safe
Using a hair dryer isnt safe
Coming down stairs isnt safe
Going in for an operation isnt safe
Childbirth isnt safe
Flying isnt safe.

All of those things and more can KILL you, did you know that?

Not very likely to, but they can. Just like any medication or medical intervention

You know what isn’t safe? Obesity.

Possibly more than a quick Google is required then. Higher cases of thyroid cancers were sene in rats in one study. Not people and not repeated studies.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11050669/

"Conclusion: Semaglutide use in RCTs and real-world studies was not associated with an increased risk of any types of cancer, and this conclusion is supported by a high grade of evidence."

Edited as I lost the quote

Exactly.

one thing I heard this week is that in the last 30 (I think) years, the number of obese people in the USA has risen every year.

until this year.

Weight loss treatment is radically changing one of the developed worlds serious health issue

if we can replicate this trend in the UK it will dramatically improve the situation for the NHS and society in general.

when the NHS and welfare system is able to treat more people because obesity is on the decline, might be worth having a moments thought for the efforts that some have taken upon themselves to bring about such a change.

i get that it’s not for everyone, if you don’t need it, good for you.

as others have said pain relief in child birth, HRT, nicotine replacements or antidepressants aren’t for everyone, not everyone needs these, but some do.

In any case NOBODY has a right to criticise those who do need these things. Weight loss treatment is no different. It’s not taking anything from you, it is literally nothing to do with you.

put another way, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them, nobody wants you to share it with them.

I forgot that one!!

lol

Hahaha! Quite!

I caught a glimpse of myself in a window at work today (busy workplace) and momentarily thought “who’s that slim person in the lovely coat, before realising It was me! I’m having cognitive dissonance… quite hard to accept I’m not the fat one anymore.

It’s pretty clear that most of the objections are from people who are pissed off that there’s now an ‘easy’ way for people to lose weight. It’s all about the way that fat people are considered to be lazy and greedy and that we don’t deserve to lose weight without immense suffering and feelings of deprivation

I think some are also bitter they can’t afford it so will continue to struggle with their weight, the fear of being fat when everyone else is slim. I get that. Let’s face it obesity is a huge problem, with huge swathes of the population over weight or obese, and in some demographics the vast majority, so seeing everyone get slim and thinking you will be the one left, fat snd obese, could be scary, and you probably would try to argue to limit it.

Glad you had that thought about yourself, even if it was fleeting. I’m sure your brain will adjust in time. I’m still waiting for the time I can look in a mirror again - I do all I can to avoid it at the moment!

It'll be available on the NHS soon enough.

Yes, Ive gone from someone who wouldnt look at myself in the mirror, didnt want a full length mirror and didnt have for many years, to almost bumping into people because Im so keen to see myself in shop windows!!

If you're genuinely coming from a place of concern for the wellbeing of those using weight loss injectables you can rest easy, it's essentially just a synthetic version of a peptide similar to a naturally occurring hormone, so taking it is not dissimilar to taking HRT which isn't without side affects for some people, just like this.

Maybe redirect your worry to the very real and worrying side affects of the more common pharmaceutical drugs like statins and omeprazole taken by billions.

And to answer another point made here - In the uk the weight loss versions Wegovy and Mounjaro are not for diabetics who are prescribed ozempic so those taking it are not selfish and depriving diabetics.

The amount these drugs will save the nhs in reducing obesity fuelled illnesses is potentially huge.

I recommend listening to Dr Tyna Moore's podcast for more informative and nuanced information about these drugs and why the scare stories might not be as common as you think.

HRTFT and I’m sure this has been said already but I think it’s capitalism and unfettered markets gone awol. Letting ‘the markets’ decide means that lots of people

We know we need to be eating less processed food and more fresh/whole food. We are experiencing malnutrition because the ‘food’ we consume has little nutritional value which leaves us craving more and more. Extremely clever and manipulative marketing leaves us more susceptible to buying food that may not be nutritionally balanced. Kids are targeted with marketing early so they become life long consumers. Processed food is designed to be moreish and leave us wanting more. The sugar industry lobbies the government and other food industries do too. All in the pursuit of profit.

So we have an increasingly large population carrying too much extra fat that leads to health problems. The drug companies then try and solve these by creating drugs and making profit.

Most likely there will be side effects that another (or the same) drug company will also make profit from.

The food industry needs more regulation. Having read Ultra Processed People, it’s horrifying that all these ‘edible substances’ are marketed as food and, of course, it’s more likely to be the under privileged that are most impacted.

I am not a socialist by any means but when are we going to start putting people and planet before profit. Other countries do fine without leaning so heavily on the processed food industry.

I think your take on statins is a bit ridiculous. They aren’t purely for cholesterol reduction but play a big role in lowering the risk of CV events due to their effect on the vessel interior.
Let’s be honest this is the holy grail of big pharma. Overindulge for years, have those extra biscuits, the Big Mac at 9pm just because you can and miraculously science enables you to take no responsibility. Fall off the wagon for a few years and jump back on when you’re back to square one. Easy peasy, no lessons learnt. I think to gain access to these meds you really need to undertake serious counselling/therapy concurrently, not something to kick down the road later.

@Leniriefenstahl again that's not the attitude of people on them but anything to bash the horrible lazy fatties right!!

Honestly this is nonsense

What counselling, therapy do you suggest?

Just about every obese person knows all about healthy eating, portion control, blah blah

Food is their addiction and this is the treatment

It's not that deep

Overindulge for years, have those extra biscuits, the Big Mac at 9pm just because you can and miraculously science enables you to take no responsibility

Yes but those people will have spent the years of their life they did that being unhealthy and fat? That's surely the consequence in itself. I find this such an odd argument. Someone on a previous thread was bitter as they had watched their weight and were slim but their fat friends were now on these jabs and had enjoyed years of eating what they liked. But they also had years of being obese as a a result, that's the whole point?

Or do you mean you eat like that while taking the jabs, as that's not how they work. You can't eat 3,000 calories a day and lose weight on them. Most people on MJ are eating well below their TDEE and have stopped snacking. The jabs don't melt away fat or allow you eat high calorie food either abandon. They reduce your desire to eat so you just eat a lot less.

Urgh. Not everyone who is overweight or obese has spent their life stuffing cake in their hole or ‘eating Big Macs at 9pm’. I don’t need to undertake serious counselling or therapy, thank you. I’ve never snacked, I’ve always avoided biscuits and cakes and I didn’t live on chippie teas. My portion sizes have been too large, and I'm adjusting to a new normal in regards to that.

Why don’t you take your faux concern for what happens to people post jab (after all - it’s none of your business) and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine?

That poster has no idea
Like others talking about addressing the 'underlying issues', no 'lessons learned', therapy and counselling bandied about like there's some major mental disorder causing people to over eat and they need 'mental health support:

Food is addictive, the end.

I presume such people are raising faux concerns as they liked having a fat friend

@Searchingforthelight I think it's that.

My brother doesn't know I'm on the jabs but knows I'm losing weight. He's reacted so badly to my weight loss because he'll now be the biggest in the family. It's so sad.

And believe it or not, most obese people don't enjoy being obese or want to be obese. It's not like they're spent 20 years happy as Larry eating what they like and can now erase it. There's no undo button for those many years of feeling ashamed of being obese. They still spent 20 years or whatever struggling with their weight and probably locked in toxic dieting cycles. Is that not enough? Or do they need to be punished a bit more?

The book Why We Eat Too Much is massively illuminating on why many obese people are not just lazy or lacking in willpower. When you look at the efforts some people have made to lose weight, I think they honestly have more willpower than a lot of people as to fight a losing battle for years with such a primal need as hunger is insanely hard.

I would like to add that they are NOT easy to get hold of. Anyone who thinks that they are being 'dished out like smarties' (the words of one particular radio presenter this morning) needs a reality check. I had to answer a very detailed questionnaire and send a photo of myself to prove that I am overweight. They are not cheap either. But I've reasoned that about the amount that I pay each month for them is what I would have spent on food. I reckon I'm eating half the amount that I used to.