To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

It may need to be a permanent solution. Many of us have no off switch, its how we're made, just part of us, like having a big nose or blue eyes, its not right or wrong but in a society where food is cheap, easy and socially acceptable to overeat, we become fatter and fatter

So the medication helps us eat less, its really that simple, no handwringing or moral judgement needed, no po faced underlying reasons which we need to 'sort out'. That is the reason, we overeat for our needs.

I take it you dont object to someone being on statins for life, or BP meds for life, if that is the way they are built and need it? (insert millions of other drug options here as well)

These medicines have been extensively clinically trialled and approved by the MHRA in the UK. They haven't seen any red flags. Side effects are nearly always mild, manageable and the risk is worth the benefit of losing weight for those that are obese.

Do you think that other medications that people are on for life, like high blood pressure medication, insulin, pain killers, anti-depressants, statins and so on are a "resounding no" too?

Very well said 👏

Problem is I don't think it's just the upfs that are making people fat

Reasons why people might have been thinner at various times in the past

• No upfs
• Shortage of food
• Food not being readily available and taking a long time to prepare
• Food being poor quality
• Food being monotonous and always the same
• More infectious illness causing people to lose their appetites
• Dirty water and poor sanitation
• Worm infestations
• No central heating
• Manual labour
• Walking everywhere
• Smoking
• Regular fasting for religious purposes e.g. lent
• Less middle aged people as life expectancy was lower

Having written that down I am surprised anyone managed to be overweight though the old paintings and photos still show a few

@Searchingforthelight fight you for the dress...the irony is that I haven't gone down to a size 10 on these, and I'm not intending to either. I'm in my mid-fifties and not likely to be very slim again, and am happy being trimmer, less barrel-like and able to exercise. For me, that's a 12-14. I'm stopping at a weight I feel is realistic. I don't want to get very thin at all.

Because my weight has been intrinsically linked to my worth as a person since I was a young child.

Because I was bullied to the point of attempting suicide at 14 because I was overweight.

Because when I was at uni I was overweight and hated every second of it and I hated every single thing about myself.

Because I've spent so many nights crying and wishing I could cut myself open and just scoop the fat out of myself.

The self hatred is engrained so when we finally find a solution we're going to want to use it b

So excited to wear lovely clothes again, right?
Let's not fight about the dress 😉

I dont want to be a 10 either, I want to be a 12 - I'm 5ft 7 and thats great for me

Very likely the same that happens once you stop any extreme diet? I speak as someone who has tried most of them who has lost and gained the same 4 stones over the last 45 years. Of course,looking back,when I first went on my first extreme diet,I did not actually need to lose any weight.

What the f are u on about .
Have you any first hand experience of using them as an easy diet ..
Because if not ,your opinion is worthless
I'm using them currently
Believe me ,it is no easy ride or magic wand .
Literally all it does to help me ,is it stops me thinking about food 24/7
I still get hungry
I still have to buy ,plan and eat 3 balanced calorie counted meals
And it's costing me money I don't have
If I go over my calories,I don't loose weight
It's slightly taken the edge of me wanting to stuff my face with food all f ing day.
So it's just leveling the playing field to those who don't feel the urge to stuff their face all day
To get it
I had to send in my weight,my BMI and my , measurements
I then had to send 3 photos of myself from different angles and give them permission to contact my doctor.
It's highly unlikely someone will a lower BMI is going to get these injections.
Chill , though ,it doesn't effect you ,so don't worry about it

I know of someone whose daughter is gravely ill after taking them. Don't feel like there is enough research into them to know that they are absolutely safe.

you are far to trusting

You have to remove the head space taken up by these types of people

Your health is no one elses business

Society has put a moral judgement on fat people, we're wrong for being fat, wrong for losing it (did you have the misfortune to be on another thread recently where horror of horrors it was bandied about that fat people who lose weight might look......(gasp) OLDER!!!!)

And if we do lose it, we're either going to put it all back on again because we dont know what we're doing, or be scrawny and skinny fat, or do it the 'wrong' way.

We just wrong wrong wrong. All the way.

PS, dont forget the galls stones and saggy skin people!!!

My one caveat to people using the injection would be do not use the meds to push your weight loss to the max in the shortest possible time. I work in aesthetics and in the past year or so we have had so many women come in looking for help with their faces and necks post weight loss, we’ve never seen anything like it and almost without fail they are all using the jabs. It isn’t the jab doing it but the rapid weight loss in enables. This women in their 30s onwards going in with loose skin on their necks and facial volume loss that we really can’t fix. Our advise of to leave it a year to see how much the skin recovers then to assess and decide if any tweakments can help or if it’s a surgery only situation. Going slower with weight loss and having good nutrition and exercise does make a difference to how your face and neck copes with weight loss so if you care about your face then go slow even with the medications.

They are not new drugs
They have been around a long time being used for diabetes
Side effects are well known

Can you elaborate with what kid of illness she is experiencing without personal details of course.

What illness? Is she overweight? Did she obtain the injections from a reputable pharmacy?

She won't know because it'll be another aunty's cleaners dogs nan scenario 😄

The eating 4-5 packs of crisps a day is greed no ? Not being able to say no. Surely you stop the medication, your former eating habits and giving in to short term gratification come back, unless you have therapy to sort that out.
A poster upthread had a BMI of 29, so did I (through illness and inability to exercise ). I’ve virtually lost the weight but I really had to try hard not to give in. I couldn’t afford £250 a month for these injections and I think that’s what determines who has them. Ability to pay in the end.

@Leniriefenstahl maybe so. But I'm on such a low dose that I'm able to train my willpower. I'm happy with my decision and that's that as far as I'm concerned

🙈🙈🙈 firstly it's not £250 a month and it's not greed - it is a genuine inability to stop sometimes. The food noise is too loud. It is an addiction sometimes too. You don't need to stay on the jabs for life but just long enough to get into a new healthy habit, lose weight and not have that emotional link to food anymore which is what mounjaro helps you do. You clearly have no idea at all so why bother posting.

The way I look at it is the vast majority of us are paying for our weight loss medication so it's not costing anyone else anything so no one has the right to judge.

You can argue about it all day long but if it's not affecting you in any way you have to ask yourself why. What is the motive to be so concerned about what others are doing because I can honestly say others lifestyle choices don't keep me awake at night ever.

I haven’t taken them and probably wouldn’t - but what’s your objection to a diet being easy?

Would you have such little sympathy for an alcoholic or drug addict trying to stop ? Because it's the same
Addiction is addiction, regardless of what you are addicted to .
Have you no sympathy or understanding for your fellow man ,who struggles more than you ????

@Leniriefenstahl does calling it greed help with addressing people's inability to stop themselves from doing it? Do you regard greed in this way as a moral failing?

I won't be stopping using the injections for a good long while, so there is time to embed different behaviours and to use the time away from the compulsion to overeat certain foods to analyse why that was and how to prevent it in future.