To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Yes my posts were culled too but I cant remember which ones they were now. Interesting cull of posts I thought

Im just saying there will be a counter drive by those big business to try to fight back, part of it will be things like these sorts of threads, misinformation, judgement, trying to make it socially unacceptable to use them to lose weight.

Those businesses have all contributed to it being socially acceptable to over eat, they want it to stay that way

I haven’t told many people that I am taking Mounjaro due to this level of judgement. My weight has been an issue since my diagnosis with PCOS ten years ago. Despite several attempts to lose it, nothing worked. On Mounjaro I’ve lost 28lbs in ten weeks.

I know a few people taking them in a healthy way and it really is changing lives. These drugs are well regulated if people are honest. You submit photos, evidence of your weight and related health issues. Your GP is informed if you give consent. Plus you’re provided with a whole load of advice and support. It’s down to the individual if they want to make positive choices when taking Mounjaro or not.

This is really interesting, place marking for later

I was the same.

I always found weight loss hard. Yes I had lost a chunk but it was such a vicious cycle. If I weighed myself and I was up, that was it. Self destruct mode was on because there was "clearly no point". It made me so mentally unwell because I hated myself. I knew I was very obese but it just guilted me more and shamed me. I never felt like I could get a handle on it.

I had decided at the start of this year I'd give it six months and my options were bleak, if it didn't work I'd be going to the GP to ask for WLS. I had never been about my weight before but I knew they'd not help me.

It hit August and I'd done nothing I figured I'd try Mounjaro for just a month and see how it went. It changed my life.

I'm healthier in every way and I can't believe how it's changed my life.

The pp was asking about her dad, she didn't refer to specific insulin or when he was told that. She was told that there was no issues and some people on these thread seemingly don't realise the types of pens used are the same.

I was just explaining that I wss aware of issues last year rather and other T1 diabetics being told similar. The pp didn't mention when her dad was told that.

It may be irresponsible for medical professionals to say that, but its clearly how at least the pps father pharmacist interpreted it and the 2 ppl I know, who have different consultants.

Yes I'm not aware about any impact of monjaurno, but I was answering the PP about generally about the experience of the 2 T1s I know and confirming I had heard of issues, despite the fact many posters seemed to deny this.

Anyway we'll move on. I understand the defensiveness of weight loss drugs use and like I say use them myself. Luckily my DH didn't care when he moved pens last year, but I'm not going to sit here and deny his experience of having to change how he administers his insulin which indirectly at the very least, is in part of the increased use of flex pens (and poor planning by NN).

@kindlypudding So we don't really learn how to eat or take care of ourselves, just rely on a pill to mitigate the damage. We don't learn how we got into that state or have a constructive or independent way to recover from it.

I know exactly how I got into this state. I know the damage it's causing me and I know what my relationship with food should be like. But it isn't. My relationship with food is as broken as an alcoholic's relationship with alcohol is. The difference between me and an alcoholic is that an alcoholic can live the rest of their life avoiding alcohol entirely. I can't do that with food.

Every meal I had was triggering the compulsion to have more and more and more. What mounjaro has done for me is to make that compulsion disappear literally overnight. I cannot explain how big a difference this is but at least now I am in the right mental position to learn healthy eating without the monster on my back always pushing me to have more.

@Hellogoodbyehello4321 I'm not denying anyone's experience. I haven't said or implied that. I'm saying that they've been told something at the very least inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory by a HCP.

@Bibulous again same for me.

The feelings of guilt were awful.

I still experience hunger and I've stayed on a low dose so I'm quite confident that if I had to stop I'd be better equipped, but I don't plan on stopping for a long time.

I’ve heard this a LOT, and there are plans to run clinical trials on these drugs’ effects on alcoholism and other addictions. I work in the clinical trials industry, and the medical community are very excited about the possibilities that these drugs will bring. I’ve heard it described by one endocrinologist as the most significant medical breakthrough in our lifetime.

I think they are brilliant and it's working well for me, but I was not seriously/dangeriously obese and I pay for mine privately. However, my fear is what will happen when people come off the jabs. I am already thinking about how I am going to manage that myself as I certainly don't intend to keep paying for this out of my own pocket forever.

To keep people on Ozempic for years and years at a time is very expensive and if no effort is being made to tackle the root causes of obesity in the first place then as people come of it, the weight will inevitably go back on. If GPs feel pressure for budgetry reasons to stop prescribing to one person once reasonable progress has been made, in order to move on to someone else who needs it more, it's going to be a constant state of digging holes in one place while filling them in in another, ad finitum.

Most of them claim to help you lose UP TO 20% of your body weight. I've no idea if many people manage to lose much more than that or whether it plateaus out after that. But most very obese people need to lose a lot more than 20% and they would still be significantly overweight to the point where it affects their mobility, their health and even their ability to work, so what has been the point of it, if it can't do the whole job? Perhaps it could be used to help people reach a safe weight in order to perform bariatric bands/sleeves or whatever, which will be a more permanent (and ultimately less expensive) solution.

Not at these doses.

You will not regret this- these are miracle drugs!
Have a good look at cost, many are sharing discount codes on that thread in the Weight Loss Injections part of Mumsnet
I was also buying shop sandwich/ meal deal at lunch time, weekly takeaway, ready meals... All that is gone and I am cost neutral in purchasing these

Good luck and join us on the Mounjaro threads
You'll be delighted you do this!

Me too! Good luck OP

I am so so tempted by these but have health problems. I have given myself until January to loose some weight without them &, if I haven't got anywhere, I will be speaking to my cardiologist at my next appointment to ask his opinion & whether I would be able to have them with my health as it is.

@poisongreen yes they have!!!

Oh my days. It's like people will find anything to whinge about. These drugs have been in use for decades. Every single researcher is excited by them because they have nothing but good effects on the body. Yet a few on MN think they know more?

I don’t even know where to begin telling you how wrong you are about these drugs.

@poisongreen what doses do you mean? Weight loss injections at the doses in use have been extensively clinically trialled in long running research projects.

I completely agree and I wish this post could be pinned to the top of every thread about GLP-1 medications. Obesity results from addiction, often, not a lack of willpower. The itching analogy is perfect.

The diabetic dose is half the weightloss dose. That's what's been in use for years and studied (and the longterm, and/or adverse effects are already well-known).

As someone who first GLP 1 9 years ago I can say that I eat healthily. The jab doesn’t make most people stop eating. Only eating to excess.
Prior to the jab, a side effect of my diabetes was no longer making the ‘feel full’ hormone. This meant that I was constantly thinking about food. Because of the effects of giving in would have on my blood sugars I mostly didn’t give in to the desire to eat but I was miserable. I wasn’t obese but certainly weighed more than I do now.
Obesity is very complex and there is a school of thought suggesting that ultra processed foods switch off the feel full response to eating.
Watching tv last night, there was a chap of 35 stone who needed many resources to get him to hospital to be treated for pneumonia. Sadly he died there 3 weeks later. Had he been a healthy weight he may have survived.
This sort of thing, morbid complications of obesity or even the misery (for many) of being obese; suggests to me that the jabs would be a good thing for overweight people.

I've not read the full thread and I can see how in some cases these drugs could be helpful. I also agree that UPFs and the easy availability of crappy food and the constant promotion of it has a lot to answer for - the struggle is real with my DC and trying to steer them towards healthy choices and a healthy attitude to eating.

Would people not abuse these meds, by thinking they have a "fall back" fix plan for eating whatever and however much they want and putting on weight - take the jab until they get to the weight they wanted - then repeat the cycle indefinitely? How much damage to your health would that do? What if it enables you to eat a crappy diet with no nutritional benefits but that's okay because you are maintaining a normal weight?

Why on earth would anyone spend thousands on their health just to put all the weight back on

Anyone who is compelled to hit that reward system may find these help. I read about a man who took for weight loss but found he finally could with hold from gambling excessively

Honestly these are revolutionary and I think will alter our society for the better, in many ways, as well as restoring many people's physical health

NHS roll out should be ASAP

@poisongreen so what is the "diabetic dose" seeing as these drugs are offered at varying doses?