To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

What concerns me is do we know the long term affects of taking this drug?

was it used for another medical condition and found that it decreased appetite? Dementia?

which would indicate this drug has been used by elderly at the end of their lives, so long term use isn’t researched?

This 100%. A great analogy!

Fairly sure they would supply it to weight watchers to be honest under a rebrand for an additional cost on top of the med cost. Doesn’t damage gheir core business, just grows it.

To add
the UPF manufacturers are unhappy about how this could decrease their sales

@ivykaty44 GLP-1s have been used in diabetes for a long time. That's how it was found out.

Diabetes. But it’s now going through approvals for cardio vascular. But no it wasn’t end of life elderly folks who had dementia,,😂

Oh no, anyway.

Why should I give a damn if these manufacturers are upset? It says it all that they're "food manufacturers" and not suppliers to be honest. Our food doesn't need to be manufactured.

My DH has ADHD and I recognise the binge behaviour in him. He quit sugar and UPF and said it was harder then giving up smoking.
Given the health risks of being at your current weight can you really look at your food budget and see if you can find a way to reduce it by £40 a week? I have cut out half the bread I used to buy and all snacks apart from bags of nuts and dried fruit (hard to binge on!) since I went on Mounjaro and DH changed his diet too. I also spend less on snacks during work days. You'll definitely eat less and feel less bothered about 'treat' food if you're on Mounjaro.

I’ve started taking them last week. I have no side effects and still eating 3 meals a day, but more like 1200 calories a day rather than 1700-1800.

One of the unexpected benefits for me (and there is a lot of new research corroborating this), is that it’s also switched off any desire at all to drink alcohol. I was certainly drinking too much, getting through 2-3 bottles of wine a week. I cannot imagine drinking a glass of wine at the moment, I just don’t fancy it. Given the increase in liver disease caused by drinking too much, I think this could be a game changer for social health if it’s proved that it can also help problem drinkers.

What concerns me is do we know the long term affects of taking this drug?

Eli Lilly's first manufacturing of these types of drug was in 1996. It was approved by the FDA in 2005. That then triggered much more research and money into developing versions that are more palatable than the early versions were. And more effective. That's quite a lot of data and quite long term.

You should just go for it!

You have to buy privately until they are available on the NHS. You'll save so much on your food bill- it definitely costs far less than you think due to this

Plenty of people with ADHD are reporting feelings benefits to this also- just anecdotal for now

You really can't go wrong with yhem- have a look at the Mounjaro threads

The pp didn't say it caused an issue with insulin, she said the pens.

You've clearly not read NNs letter of June 2023 which I have referred to, which I unfortunately can't link to because it downloads, but it clearly says there's an issue with flex touch pens due to demand. I'm not talking about monjaurno, I was agreeing with a pp that I also know T1 diabetics who were moved off flex touch pens, so there was, for a while, an issue, with the pens for insulin users explained by NN as due to demand in their products.

I get the defensive as a weight loss pen user myself and agree it does come up a lot about the impact on diabetics. And as someone overweight myself I don't deny the importance of these pens to ppl.

But equally I don't think it's right to deny the impact on diabetics either, and in 2023 there was very clearly an impact with the flex touch pens because of demand. Luckily its now been resolved. I am both a weight loss injection user and the wife of a T1, I am not on one side of this situation. I'm balanced on it but I also domt rewrite history and in 2023 NN did move insulin users onto different pens due to demand for their pens.

They sound like a game changer for obese people who struggle to lose weight and have serious health issues as a result of obesity. It doesn’t seem great that people are using them as an easy way to shift a few pounds… surely they’ll just put the weight back on when they stop? But that’s not a reason to ban them.

I think what people are pointing out, and I have said this about supermarkets for many a year about how they want us to over buy and over eat,,,, there will be a drive from food manufacturers/producers/retailers to try to counter the success of this medication for the population

If you have 50% of your core customers, suddenly eating 25% less, what are you going to do, how are you going to manage the fall in income

Put your prices up? Re brand 'healthy foods' to fight back? Utilise social media or media communications to push false narratives about the medication? Do the same but about BMI and healthy weights, health impacts of being over weight or normal weight?

Supermarkets are not our friends, never have been but look at their lovely family friendly inclusive adverts, you would think they're all doing us a favour and helping us the way they portray themselves.

@soupfiend I honestly couldn't care less if McDonald's et al start to struggle.

I shop local. I'm not arsed by a supermarket struggling. If demand for healthier, whole foods grows, so will the supply and the price will fall

I'd say they are like a crutch, facilitating the mindset that enjoys quick or easy fixes.
So we don't really learn how to eat or take care of ourselves, just rely on a pill to mitigate the damage. We don't learn how we got into that state or have a constructive or independent way to recover from it. It also might have the effect of convincing people to not take responsibility for their own bodies or actions.

If someone's health is in great danger, this is where they'd come into their own and be incredibly useful, but as a way to manage bodyweight, just no.

Most weight loss methods make someone rich, whether they're promoting drugs, low carb or hypnosis. It takes away responsibility and autonomy, so not particularly positive on a cultural level. Weight loss drugs will be saving money in a different area, which is why they are given the green light, but this doesn't mean it's a good generally.

IMO it trains people to become dependent and helpless.
Basically, you can't fix a cultural problem with a pill. If the underlying causes aren't dealt with, they'll persist.

I genuinely think they are a game changer. I think we'll look back at these years like we look back at the discovery of antibiotics or the HIV management drugs that mean life expectancy is now very similar to someone without HIV.

And yes, they will come with side effects and yes there will be some people who - sadly - they are not suitable for because of another health issue or medication etc. But I think this is the moment the western world stops getting fatter and fatter.

I've gotten them on the black market for £100 a month. Lost nearly a stone in 6 weeks, I'm absolutely thrilled.

I have severe bulimia and struggled with food noise for as long as I can remember. I really don't care what I'm doing as I think it's levelling the playing field.

People who take issue with it are jealous IMO

But they're not.

I'm on them. Before my eating habits were poor. I only cared about being under calories, if that meant chicken and chips for tea I'd do it.

Now I'm on them and having breathing space, I'm working on my diet. It's improved ten fold and I feel amazing.

Thank you @CameronStrike and @CoverMeInMarmalade for sharing your experience of how much you're saving on not buying junk or just buying less food.
I worked out how much it is a week to do the jabs across a year and it is around £40. I just had a think about the money I spend every working week going into Tesco express for a lunch meal deal and then always get sweet stuff too and that will be adding up to at least £25-30/week. So if these jabs help me not do that then actually they'll only cost me £10-15/week which I can afford.
I'm going to speak to my husband about doing them and then get online to order. I want to be around to see my 2 very young children grow up and I know that my weight is a real threat to that happening. Thanks again xx

Eh, a percentage of people will abuse any medication that can be abused. Back when you used to be able to buy codeine online there were huge problems with people lying and pharmacy-hopping to get way more for way longer than any doctor would reasonably prescribe. It doesn't make the medication itself a bad idea. Some people's hunger signals are dysregulated. Mine are the other way, because I'm autistic and don't feel hunger much - I have Mirtazipine to give me a bit more of an appetite and try to keep my weight up enough to be borderline healthy. I see absolutely nothing with a drug that brings your physical signals a bit more in line with what your body needs.

That said - I did read a comment somewhere which was both funny and seemed cynically true, along the lines of "does anyone else forsee a kind of biochemical arms race wherein food manufactors and drug companies compete with each other to create ever more addictive food-like substances vs drugs to reduce appetite" and that does seem a bit dystopian!

Why on Earth was my post deleted?

Agreed with a poster who said that it was impossible to only take weight loss injections during the week and not at the weekend.

And said something like it was scary that people believe the rubbish that some people post!!!

How is that breaking talk guidelines! I know I should email mumnset HQ and ask them but can't be assed! :)

@Hellogoodbyehello4321 as this thread specifically mentions Mounjaro, this has never impacted on the supply of insulin for diabetics. The manufacturers of the pens for insulin and some forms of semaglutide experienced issues with manufacturing after the end of the pandemic, and an increase in demand for their medications. They do not single out weight loss injections specifically for that increase. The manufacturer made decisions that led to some shortages for some formats of insulin. That's on them.

It is irresponsible for people like pharmacists and consultants to repeat inaccurate comments about users of weight loss injections causing harm for diabetics requiring insulin. It's never been true for Mounjaro, and only has very limited connections to those using Wegovy.

This is absolutely insane and shows you know nothing about it. They aren't like taking speed to suppress appetite.

A lot of people cannot regulate what they eat, I have a lifelong eating disorder because of this. We aren't stupid, we know what makes a healthy diet and lifestyle- it's honestly impossible to follow for some.

This for me is setting the reset button so I'm only eating when I'm actually hungry again and restarting my relationship with food

@Changingnameagain - good luck to you. I really hope this is the last day you feel hopeless and helpless with regards to your weight.

Head over the weight loss injection boards for any questions you might have, or just to read about other people's experiences.