Police officer cleared

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Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

Let's be honest, this was a show trial, any reasoned impartial observer could see that.

Legal stop, legal shooting.

I agree.
I also think it had to happen, I think there might well have been riots and mass demonstrations if it didn't. Poor police officer was the sacrificial lamb in this to appease the public.
I'm glad this has become a thread to slag off CK and his despicable family. I hope they're reading. Hopefully the mother of his kid (the one he beat up while she was pregnant) can get her baby away from their influence and I can't help thinking that child's life chances are improved without CK in it.

Let's be honest, this was a show trial, any reasoned impartial observer could see that

Not having seen all the details I'm hesitant to say, but agree it's a strong suspicion - ditto those in the armed services who regularly get dragged into court simply for doing their jobs

Obviously we need proper accountability, but there's a balance to be struck and when so much emphasis gets placed on appeasing "communities" I'm not sure we've got it quite right
More to the point, as we've seen on here, neither are many of the ordinary, thoroughly decent members of those communities, who are affected by the violence more than most

Oddly enough, I think there should be a separate thread for Mr Kaba and his prior behavior.

This would have been a legal stop and a legal shooting no matter who was driving.

Car linked to shootings = good reason to stop.

Car used as a weapon = good reason to shoot.

@mids2019 I wonder if there are lot of pissed off journalists that were following the narrative that CK was a victim of a racist police force and now the trial is over and reporting restrictions lifted realise they were wrong and having to do some back pedalling.

The Press knew who CK was. The reporting restrictions covered things the press knew but couldn’t publish… That’s how they knew what to publish within minutes of restrictions being lifted.

The press were at the trial of the nightclub shooting, they knew it was CK. just couldn’t publish.

I agree completely. The shooting of Mark Duggan prompted widespread rioting and civil disorder on an unprecedented scale. That may have happened again if this prosecution had not been taken however it was still wrong to charge that police officer. Every one that had seen those videos knew full well what happened and how justified that shooting was.

I don't disagree regarding the trial but naming the poor officer was absolutely appalling.

It's an absolute godsend to that kid that his father won't be around harassing the mother with potentially violent scenes in front of him. Hopefully she'll make a better choice with the next partner.

You'd like to hope so, but somehow I very much doubt it.

Just watching the KC documentary on the BBC and the demonstrations after his shooting.
Does anyone know, do we ever get big demos like that demanding justice when people like CK shoot people? I understand CK had fired shots outside a primary school before with zero regard for the safety of the children in the school.

Hear, hear.

It's infuriating hearing bollocks about, "the community..." as if other black people must think it's fine for these violent gangs to gun people down and god knows what else.

Been on news tonight. And panorama programme tonight. Inquest next year in 25.

Yes as if "the community" all speak with one voice. Some of them are parents trying to keep their kids away from gangs and drug dealers like CK.

I admitted that I did not have the finer details,prior to leaving the post.He was unarmed! My Husband,retired policeman,has advised me,that he should of been removed from the vehicle & hand cuffed. He should of then been disabled by the police! Not Shot in the head,when he was not going anywhere!This was in my humble opinion, extreme! How many white people get shot in the head do you know of?

@Bulldog01 since Chris Kaba incident in September 2022 a further five men have been shot dead by police officers in the UK. All of those killed were white men. Joel Stenning, Bryce Hodgson, Giedrius Vasiljevas, Sergii Kuzmenko and Marius Ciolac.

Google them for more info if you want.

Really?Your husband advised he should have been removed from the vehicle and hand cuffed???

If only the police had thought of that...

Are any of the police officers involved being prosecuted in those cases ?

I hadn't heard of any of them before.

Wow 5 shot dead. Where are the cries of unfair shooting, the protests, the mayor of each city or MPs announcing their shock and community worries. Were they also drug dealing criminals?

Joel Stenning - Shot by police after he pointed a loaded crossbow at them, police were called out due to reports of him fighting with a loaded weapon.

Bryce Hodgson - Described as very troubled, had a stalking order preventing contact with ex-neighbours, went down there wearing a mask and ‘with an arsenal of weapons’ pointed a cross bow at officers.

Giedrius Vasiljevas - History of mental health problems, called police stating he had a loaded gun and was going to kill himself, police attended his address he was shot. His daughter made a public statement, did not apportion blame on the police.

Sergii Kuzmenko - Police called to incident with man with knife and two children in danger, two officers shot him 7 times including in the head, not much more info on that one. They were given anonymity while IOPC investigated and quickly concluded they had acted in line with their training.

Marius Ciolac - Turned up at a police station armed with 3 knives, mental health breakdown of some sort. Was tasered and officers used baton rounds and a stun grenade, when this did not subdue him he was shot in the stomach and later died. His family who live in Italy said in a statement after the incident they know he wasn’t innocent in this but couldn’t understand why he was shot. Police officers treated as witnesses by IOPC and inquest is next year.

First three are MET police, others are Cumbria and Derbyshire. No reports of unrest or MP’s speaking out etc… and none attracted a massive amount of media attention bar the initial reports.

Thank you.

I note that family members of these menare more aware of what they were like. Kaba's family appear to think or at least promote him as someone he wasn't. Shame they aren't honest. Shame they use the race card rather easily rather than admit he was at fault. Compensation chasing?

Marius Ciolac armed with a knife - shot dead in Derby police car park October 2022. Inquest due to begin in January 2025.

Sergii Kuzmenko 'imminent threat to life of child' (no firearms or weapons found) shot dead at his home in Carlisle December 2022. IOPC report earlier this year cleared officers of any wrong doing. Pre-inquest held last month. No date yet for full inquest.

Giedrius Vasiljevas 'incident involving a firearm'. Shot dead outside his home in Dagenham East London November 2023. Pre-inquest due this month.

Bryce Hodgson 'broke into a house armed with a weapon' (convicted stalker who was banned from entering the road where this incident occurred). Shot dead inside the property in Southwark January 2024. No date yet for inquest.

Joel Stenning 'pointed weapon at police'. Shot dead outside his home in Knaphill August 2022. No date set for inquest.

He was in control of a dangerous weapon and very much prepared to use it. He was armed, even if it wasn't a gun.

Thank you.
I hadn't heard of any of these people. I could off the top of my head name a few black men who've been shot by police though. Anyone know how the numbers stack up? Are you more likely to be shot by police if you're black and this is the grievance? I believe that you are, or at least I always assumed you are.

I do recall most of them in the news after the names had been posted, but the coverage was minimal.

There’s definitely evidence that points to stop searches being more common on black people however a number of black and white men have been shot by police, I don’t know the full figures though.