Police officer cleared

[Toomanywars]

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

If the person driving had been the mechanic taking the vehicle for repairs but behaved in exactly the same way as Mr Kaba, it would have been a lawful stop and a lawful shooting.

For someone who thought shooting the tyres would immobilise the vehicle, you sure seem to know a lot about firearms and police use in particular.

Why do you keep saying he was unarmed, he was using his vehicle as a weapon?

How the US choose to deal with mass shootings has nothing to do with this case, this is the UK and this was a lawful shooting.

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I wish more people knew the extent of county lines damage. We live in an affluent area DD goes to a good secondary and we keep getting messages from the school asking us to not let them go to the park over the road after school as county lines recruiters hang out there. Apparently the school receptionist is forever calling the police and they don’t give a shit. One local woman campaigns for more action as her son committed suicide aged 17 after being recruited. County lines can happen anywhere and the trustafarians should be just as worried as it happening in their middle class communities and not just think it’s not their problem

And you clearly didn’t read the words I put in brackets 🙄

I can't remember the name of the group in question, but there was some middle aged white woman being interviewed on the TV yesterday saying she represented some lobby group or other that advocates for people who have allegedly experienced terrible/racist treatment at the hands of the police. This was AFTER we all knew exactly what CK had done, and she was still waffling on about how alarming it was that he was shot, and that the fight for justice should go on.

I despair.

How on Earth can you compare Sarah Everard with a career criminal?

I can't be the only one who thinks it's really rather offensive to draw parallels between Sarah everard, an innocent victim, and this career criminal, violent, woman beating, gun toting piece of scum?

Using this logic, and applying it to the CK nightclub shooting … CK was using his GUN to escape from the threat and fear he was experiencing as result of seeing rival gang member on the dance floor. ???

@Choochoo21 , you seem to want police to be wrong so badly, that you have convinced yourself that CK was using an Audi A8 as a completely expected, safe, normal means of (lawfully?) evading contact with police.

Further, please explain why is CK so full of fear — which you so inappropriately compare to that of Sarah Everard. Sick.

I’m embarrassed for you.

@Choochoo21

He didn't get out of the car when challenged because a few days earlier he'd shot someone (twice) and must have at least strongly suspected that when the police realised who he was, he'd be up on a serious charge (as the people with him at the nightclub later were). He thought he could ram his way out to escape arrest.

Comparing CK to Sarah Everard in any way is disgusting.

@Choochoo21 Have you seriously compared Sarah Everard to that vile wannabe gangster

Words fail me. That has got to be one of the worst takes on this that I've had the misfortune to read

I can assure you, in English law, using your vehicle to hit people deliberately wether they are in a vehicle or standing in front of you is considered to be using it as a weapon.

Wanting to escape is not an excuse.

Your comparison with Sarah Everard is disgusting and in no way relevant.

You come across as unhinged.

This is perhaps another thread for another day but UK Universities have lost the plot. Rather than being higher education institutions they’re now a liberal cult-like platform that demand people who just want to learn hold the same views as them.

Was at Newcastle Uni for an event the other day and they proudly state they have converted all their toilets to gender neutral. I held it in.

Are you CK's mum?

So invested in this piece of pond life.

This thread has been an eye opener. The irony is that I'm a life long Lefty and far from uncritical of all policing, but it amazes me that people are still trying to make CK into some sort of victim.

It’s quite clear that cars can still be driven aggressively with a shot-out tyre. So, @PersephonePotts , you’re quite right, shooting a tyre out, even shooting out two, three or four tyres, would have been futile and even more dangerous!

If that was the case Jon Worboys would still be raping women in his taxi so it’s absolutely imperative the law doesn’t change - though I support the few anomalies such as firearms officers

@Choochoo21 , your posts make me wish for a “No thanks” icon right next to the “Thanks” one. 🙄

Another detail which has emerged is that Kaba and his associates ran a protection racket threatening female small business owners of colour in their community. Corbyn, Abbott, Khan and others SHAME ON YOU.

As someone who is married to an army veteran who has, in the line of duty, shot many people - I find it laughable that you think a man behind glass moving quickly back and forth is easy to shoot an exact spot on their body. What do you think shooting his chest would have done? Not to mention, this all happens in a high stress high adrenaline terrifying situation, everything moves rapidly and a nanosecond makes a huge difference

But please, pray tell what qualifications do you possess to make you know better than trained firearms officers?

Why would this be an innocent person? If they randomly stopped him for no reason I’d agree but he was in a car associated with a shooting. Should that have been ignored?!

He wasn’t unarmed. He was driving a massive car. And whilst you’re right in the police didn’t know who he was or if he was armed, here’s what they did know:

• He was driving a car associated with a major crime the day before. They need to stop him and find out who he is. If that was your child who’d been shot, would you not want them all over it if they’d spotted the getaway car?!
• he didn’t stop, after many many opportunities, which began with them trying to simply pull him over. Then when they blocked him he tried to escape.

Police have seconds to consider the risk. The risk of this is enormous - a potential armed shooter refusing to comply with a reasonable request to stop.

Tell us - what should have happened instead? Try answering without nonsense about tyres and other body parts. Others have explained why that doesn’t work.

Martyn Blake followed protocol to the letter and he’s been put in extreme danger because dipshits don’t understand the basics of policing and are desperate to show how right-on they are.

meanwhile what are people like you doing about gang culture and county lines - two things that adversely affect black people?

I'd like to add that I've worked in the prison system in YOI. This offender should never have been released early.

Sorry I didn’t mean to offend by comparing the 2.
Many posters have compared both people and no one took offence.

My point was that he was an unidentified, innocent person.

People only think he deserved to be shot dead, because of his criminal background.

If this was your mum or child, then you would think otherwise.

The officer admitted that he had no idea who this person was and the time of the killing.

Even peadophiles don’t get shot dead, even though they are monsters.

You should only shoot to kill if your life is in danger and this officers life wasn’t in danger.

He went and stood in front of a moving car.
The car was not driving at him trying to run him down.

The police in France shot the fuck out of the guy and I was glad.

I don’t understand why they just didn’t shoot his tyres <sarcasm>

Couldn't agree more.

So you’ve just made it up then?

I’m pleased I missed the post about comparing a gang member who eats women and grooms children to an innocent woman who has raped and murdered.

Vile.

What kind of person gets their kicks defending scum?