Police officer cleared

[Toomanywars]

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

He had gunpowder residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket. Meaning it’s likely he was recently shooting a gun which is probably why he didn’t stop

My job is working with gang members and potential members, particularly those with ND or trauma who are more at risk of going down that path and not being to get out of it.
Before this, I have worked in many prisons and I used to be a teacher specialising in SEND and behavioural issues.

For people like me, CK (although I don’t know his background so can’t judge fully) are the worst type of influences on the people who I try and help.

I have no investment in him nor do I hate the police who I work closely with.

My feelings are purely based on the fact that you should only shoot to kill if your life is in danger.
This officers life was not in danger.

The law must apply to everyone, equally.

Not read this thread for a day or two but how on earth has it deteriorated to a poster bringing Sarah Everard into it?? I didn’t see the post as it’s been deleted but I dread to think what it said.

Completely disrespectful and not even relevant. I don’t understand how some people think.

His fellow officers lives were in danger due to the criminals use of the vehicle as a weapon.

Yet you claim he wasn't using it as a weapon?

This is why we have juries. I hope to god you never get on a jury.

@Choochoo21 this "unidentified, "innocent" person was driving a car that had been flagged because of a link to 3 shootings (2 very recent), not a dodgy tax disc. I don't think they send out armed police to deal with minor driving infractions, do you?

Now, if a car has been linked to 3 shootings, don't you think there might be a more than slight chance that the driver might have a gun on them? Said driver then evades arrest and rams cars trying to escape. What do you think the police should have done? Let him through so he could speed off through the streets, possibly armed and driving something the size of a small tank? Or stand around waiting for him to get out firing a gun?

They had seconds to make a decision. One officer had already got his glove caught and thought he was going to be dragged. What you are saying is absolute tosh and illogical.

Your opinion is being influenced, which is exactly the point I’m trying to make.

The officer admitted he had no idea who was in the car and didn’t know about the gunpowder etc until after he was killed.

This could have been an innocent person and lessons should be learned.

I have never said that I think he should be arrested or charged but he needs to be given extra training to learn how to deal with this in the future.

You should only shoot to kill if your life (or someone else’s life) is in immediate danger.
Choosing to stand in front of a moving car, is not being in immediate danger.

No they don't think he deserved to be shot dead. If he had got out of the car and put his keys on the roof he wouldn't have been shot but arrested and taken into custody where he would have had a solicitor. Instead, he chose to ram his car at police vehicles.

Not only embarrassed for you…. I now also feel sorry for you as you seem unable to have logical, rational thoughts but still trying to convince others that CK was:
innocent man
&
the LE officers did not feel lives were in danger ..from person driving car ID’d as been involved in a GUN Crime and vehicle was being driven dangerously during a police stop. By a person failing to comply.

Are you aware that handguns are illegal in the UK since 1997. Anyone with a handgun or (linked to one) is expected to be armed and dangerous.

Many posters have compared both people and no one took offence.

No they haven’t

My point was that he was an unidentified, innocent person.

Do you actually consider someone driving a car involved in the shooting of a human to be an ‘innocent person’. In what way was he innocent? It means he either was the shooter or knew the shooter - the police can’t risk it just being an unaware family member.

Given mere days before he WAS involved in a shooting I’d say that’s not innocent.

My point was that he was an unidentified, innocent person.

Wrong. I followed the trial podcast and have thought he deserved it from the off way before I knew his background and still believed he was a builder with a child on the way.

The officer admitted that he had no idea who this person was and the time of the killing.

He doesn’t need to know! Do you think his downfall was not tapping on the window first to say “What’s your name mate? Gotta run you through the database while you kill my colleagues before I can do anything”.

Even peadophiles don’t get shot dead, even though they are monsters.

They would if they behaved like Kaba.
you seem to consider the feelings of children - what do you think of Kaba being a child groomer?

You should only shoot to kill if your life is in danger and this officers life wasn’t in danger.

yes it was. As was everyone around him. And now we know how little consideration Kaba had for innocent bystanders I think it’s fair to say if he hadn’t killed him Kaba would not have stopped until someone was seriously hurt.

He went and stood in front of a moving car.
The car was not driving at him trying to run him down.

Yes it was. Watch the bodycam footage. He disobeyed orders and continued to drive and rev.

as for standing in front of a moving car - you seem to criticise this but instead you should be in awe of the bravery of people like Blake who volunteer to protect YOU. Some people are cowards and some people are heroes.

Aaaah it makes sense now - no wonder gang culture and county lines is rife when overly liberal apologists who aren’t very bright and have woeful misunderstanding of basic policing principals, are ‘helping’ them. What help do you actually provide other than condoning and minimising what they do?

His life was in danger and a jury agreed after seeing evidence - something you have not done.

In fact they were so convinced that they wanted to make a public comment and the judge wouldn’t let them. Rightly so, juries aren’t there to say anything other than guilty or not guilty, but it just shows the strength of their feeling.

@Choochoo21

But the facts remain that this was an unknown, unarmed victim and the officers lives weren’t in danger.

You're not only posting bull but outright lies as well, as proven in court.

The officers live very much were in danger. That's why the lowlife was shot dead.

And Kaba was no "victim" FFS.

I disagree

Another anomaly is when people go on trial for example child sexual abuse - their identities are often protected because it protects their child. Otherwise everyone would know who the victim was and they’ve already been through enough.

I see you're off again with the "should only shoot to kill when..." bollocks as well, @Choochoo21

It's been pointed out to you multiple times that there is no 'shoot to kill' or 'not to kill'.

Your opinion means nothing, although I welcome your use of your right to free speech in this case.

Having been at the wrong end of potentially life ending criminal activity I can safely say that the ONLY opinion that matters is that of NX121.

His honestly held belief and actions, developed after years of training, deployments and tac advising/ leading on ops.
The jury took 2 hrs 59 mins to find him unanimously NG.

Please check out 'the man in the arena' poem. It's rarely been more accurate and relevant.

There will of been a marker on the car that it was involved in a shooting, and doubtless a lot more intelligence connected to it, therefore on the balance of probabilities the car was being driven by someone involved with firearms.

Then the way the car was ramming police cars would further give some confirmation to that, all of which is considered in the spontaneous decision making by armed officers.

The fact is you, I or indeed anyone on here will never know what intelligence and information was held on that vehicle but I bet it was a hell of a lot.

The fact is also you were not there or inside of any of the officers heads so you cannot state with confidence they did not feel their lives were in danger. They face this situation more than most of us on this thread.

FFS.

P.S - No response to me required from yourself as I have seen your constant posts stating the same thing over and over so I am aware of your opinion.

My opinion is influenced by fact.

Tell me, why do YOU think he has gunpowder residue and a balaclava? Can’t have been cold, it was summer.

The officer admitted he had no idea who was in the car and didn’t know about the gunpowder etc until after he was killed.

So? I’ve answered what they DID know. You’ve ignored that.

This could have been an innocent person and lessons should be learned.

😂😂 you don’t learn lessons from what could have been! No one would ever get anything done FFS.

You should only shoot to kill if your life (or someone else’s life) is in immediate danger.
Choosing to stand in front of a moving car, is not being in immediate danger.

I don’t know why you keep saying his life wasn’t in danger when anyone with half a brain can see it was.

I’ll tell you what why don’t you go and stand in front of a moving car and see what happens if it’s not dangerous

Apparently the letter sent to the Judge by the Jury questioned why this was ever brought to trial by the CPS. Let us not forget that a police officer and his family are currently in hiding in fear of their lives because of gang violence. Not to mention a certain Batley teacher who is still in hiding because of threatened religious violence against him. What on earth is going on in this country? Are we now completely lawless?

What’s wrong with you? Stockholm syndrome?

There is a video clearly showing CK revving the car with the officers’ lives in danger.

A jury found this to be the case, after sitting through a three week long trial.

I'm really upset about the way the family have responded to this. If course they'll be devastated at the loss of their son, but can they really not concede that the police officers were correct to think he was a risk to them and others?

They talk about lives not being valued, what about the life of the person he shot and the countless lives destroyed by the gang activity he was part of?

Isn't it just.

Appalling that some care more for a useless piece of pond life, that put people in danger. Who it appeared, had no regard for anyone but himself, lived a life of a gangster, previous prison time and recently shot another person in a disco, again no regard for anyone there.

Little concern by those same posters for a police officer doing his duty who now has a bounty on his head. Family stressed and worried. Other police officers not wanting to take on the unpaid volunteer role of being armed.

Some in society need to rethink their ideas, mixed up priorities going on here.

I really hope those defending Kaba and saying he shouldn’t have been shot don’t end up in a situation where they needs a firearms unit. There may not be one available. If that happens - remember, you’re part of the problem.

Why clearly?

I'm thinking that a poster quite likes the attention. It's the same poster repeating the sames comments but not actually listening to replies from many different individuals.

I'm going to ignore from now on. It feels like .....

Are you for real? Have you seen the news, the footage? Seriously???? I pity you.