Police officer cleared

[Toomanywars]

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

I know but someone upthread posted a long spiel about what else police should say and that they should have a monologue of what they’ll do if that person doesn’t stop and do as they’re told. Because grown criminals don’t understand “Armed police” to be enough to understand they could be shot

It’s interesting how the gangster lovers have gone quiet on this thread since the extent of Kaba’s revolting crimes have been published

It is in a few newspapers now he gave £10k to the go fund me...the West Ham player...named as well all there in black and white. Appalling

his club should sack him it is an utter disgrace....

Indeed.

At least we can draw comfort that Mr. Kaba died doing what he loved.

Violent crime.

100 percent

I think Jeremy Corbyn is having to keep his Nokia in a biscuit tin these days.

From the GoFundMe page: "Since 1990 there have been 1,904 deaths recorded by Charity INQUEST in or following police custody or contact. In that time not one officer has been found guilty of murder"

Since they mentioned "in contact" with the police it's interesting that Wayne Couzens wasn't mentioned, or Steven Jones and Karl Bluestone come to that, but then these funding requests aren't always noted for their objectivity or even truth

The irony of someone who thinks black people don’t perpetrate crimes against other black people calling someone else obtuse

Apparently the dead man did not drive his car at a Police Officer until the Officer stood in front of the car to shoot him

So he did drive his car at a police officer then?

You’ve clearly put zero effort into looking into this case if you think Kaba was being chased because he’s <checks notes> a black man in a nice car.

in fact you HAVE stated you haven’t really seen the evidence. It’s readily available, the Trial Podcast actually recreates the court room dialogue. How about finding out before assuming racism?

Does anyone have the contact number for the chief firearms training officer?? Im gonna call him or her and say “I know you’ve years of experience and deliver training based on safety, extensive ballistics research and experience of thousands of incidents a year of firearms deployment…but someone on mumsnet has had a MUCH better idea so I think you’re out of a job mate”

😀😂

So funny!!

It's a very, too large political , academic and media supported minority, I'm afraid.
There is even a degree, must have sense poster on here refusing to countenance why Mr Kaba had to be shot and that he and his sort are far more dangerous to the average Black person than the police.

And said poster wraps their identity in being "pro Black" like many of those weirdo privileged White women too liberal who have the financial choice to pick and choose which parts of "the culture" they can avail themselves of because they are not low incomned enough to have to live cheek by jowl with the more malignant parts of it.
And they know it; too.
Tom Wolfe called the phenomena "Radical Chic".
The only Black people who give a damn about them are usually "hypergamous" Black men with no interest in Black women and who frame racism towards Black people as Black Male ONLY suffrage ( that they expect Black and White women to sort out) and Black narcissists who use them as willing , constant supply ( and sexual/ financial gravy train).
Radical feminists, meat and potatoes Black or Others who do not live as tokens of Corporate Multuculturalism or dying to be paternalised by their no good good doing are their biggest enemy.....not White racists....real or imagined.

They need White racism and chaos that is caused by or effects too many Black people in order to have an identity and sense of being.

It's hardly ever the type of White person who the average Black person grew up with or amongst before leaving the parental yoke.

I'd be sick of them if I thought that most of the serious couldn't see right through their determined sociopathy.

To all of those people saying no defendants should be named publicly before and unless they are found guilty, you do realise that in some cases it’s only through naming people who have been charged that a number of serial rapists have been discovered and found guilty? David Carrick is an obvious and recent example.

I’m another one confused by your wording but it seems what you object to is semantics and that crime shouldn’t have a profile?

Is that a blanket belief? For example do you not support ANY demographic being mentioned in crimes statistics? For example the number of women who are victims of DV at the hands of men? Is it just a crime and their sex is irrelevant?

I have to say, prior to Wayne Couzens my trust of the police was teetering on the edge, and when Sarah Everard was raped and murdered by an officer whose colleagues KNEW he was a danger, I fell completely out of favour with them. Even more so in the cack-handedness of the aftermath of all that. And my trust has never been recovered, and still isn’t.

But in the last few days I e a new found appreciation and sympathy for officers who are now clearly being scapegoated to appease criminals. They go to work to protect us - no matter the disgusting culture, individual officers take that risk every day not knowing if their lives will change. Firearms officers are voluntary. They are not paid extra, and now the CPS has done everything in its power to make sure we are going to run out of an imperative, almost invisible, service that protects us. I won’t lie - I’m shit scared at the thought of a shortage of firearms officers. Equally I don’t blame them if every single one quit that aspect of the job. So a big sarcastic well done to the CPS, prosecutors and mostly the half wit supporters of a child grooming wife beating scumbag, who are no doubt deluded trustafarians who can posture whilst in the safety of their cosy middle class homes whilst young people - mostly young black boys and men - in worse off communities are now at an even BIGGER risk of danger because there’s fewer people around to protect them.

If you still don’t get it - usually there are around 250 firearms applications per year from police officers. In the year since Martyn Blake was charged, there was six.

Let that sink in.

I think people are referring to the fact that under normal circumstances firearms officers are protected due to the risk of them being harmed. That was lifted for Martyn Blake for reasons I still don’t understand. It’s an anomaly and I think most people otherwise agree with you (I certainly do)

Frustratingly plenty of people on this thread are saying that no suspects should ever be named until they are found guilty - not just in this situation.

I was thinking about Andrew Harper as well.

Perhaps you should because the officer obviously needs additional training to shoot at such close range and then miss the intended target.

If this was not innocent person (which no one knew about at the time) then no one would be saying that police officer did the right thing.

I’m not saying that I could do a better job, because I absolutely couldn’t and commend the police.
I’ve worked in the prison system for years and dealt with many monsters and it’s because of the police that they are behind bars.

But the facts remain that this was an unknown, unarmed victim and the officers lives weren’t in danger.

Even terrorists are rarely shot dead.

Look at how many mass shooters they have in America and how many of them are shot dead, it’s not many because the firearm police are trained to only shoot to kill when absolutely necessary.

I do not believe the officer should be sent to prison or lose their job indefinitely but I do believe a suspension whilst he does further training would be appropriate.

He wasn't "executed". Whether he "deserved" to die is irrelevant, even when we had capital punishment such decisions were made in court. He was shot because the police officer held a reasonable belief that there was an imminent threat to human life, and that the only way to protect the public was to fire. CK had every opportunity to surrender, he could even just not live a life of crime. His own actions resulted in his death.

If your husband is a good person (which I'm sure he is, wives of gangstas probably aren't a core demographic for MN) then he's not going to be driving a car implicated in a recent shooting and he's not going to try and ram his way through a roadblock, is he?

I agree, a car is just as potent a weapon as a firearm is. Both require licences in recognition of how dangerous they are, both do have legitimate uses, both can also be used to murder.

After the recent murder in Paris (where the SUV driver had a history of violence) I'm beginning to think that driving licences should be subject to background checks, just as firearm licences are.
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/18/paris-suv-driver-charged-with-after-cyclist-run-over

Perhaps you should because the officer obviously needs additional training to shoot at such close range and then miss the intended target.

He didn't miss. Got him in a single head shot.

But the facts remain that this was an unknown, unarmed victim and the officers lives weren’t in danger.

He was literally ramming everything in his path with his 1.5 ton Audi.

Even terrorists are rarely shot dead.

They are shot dead if necessary to stop them further harming police or members of the public. Usman Khan was shot 20 times. Sudesh Amman was shot dead as well. It's a great pity that armed officers weren't on the scene more quickly when Lee Rigby was murdered.

There have also been multiple terror attacks involving vehicles, with the worst being the truck Nice in 2016 that killed 86 people out enjoying Bastille Day. I unfortunately saw some of the footage of the aftermath and it was grim.

The police in France shot the fuck out of the guy and I was glad.