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Police officer cleared

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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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PersephonePotts · 23/10/2024 22:21

Now we know the facts I’m absolutely furious that a judge lifted an anonymity order knowing an extremely violent gang had a £10k bounty on information about Martyn Blake, and I am also horrified that the prosecution were allowed to so woefully misrepresent the character of Kaba and also of Martyn Blake. They said Blake’s motivation was anger and frustration but offered NO evidence as to this. Their own witnesses gave him glowing character references!

as for the whole “An expectant father working in the building trade” - to me this should be contempt of court. He’d battered the mother of his baby and worked in county lines, recruiting children to take and sell drugs. Disgraceful

PersephonePotts · 23/10/2024 22:24

In the long run I hope this is a stark lesson for the CPS and society in general - all this bowing and scraping to those who shout the loudest and fear of being called racist has led to an innocent man being accused of murder for simply doing his job - a man whose now in hiding and life has changed forever. No doubt his family too. This was always going to happen to someone as long as the overly liberal can have tantrums and stamp their feet.

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 22:27

Reading of what @Lndnmummy ?

MilletOver · 23/10/2024 22:32

OMG - thank you… it hadn’t occurred to me before that at the time the judge lifted anonymity for MB he would have known exactly that CK was a core number of a murderous gang.

And the press and media who fought for MB to be named also knew it.

Disgraceful.

They created a new victim for this despicable gang.

And Khan, Claire Holland, The Runnymede Trust et al need to look very closely at their consciences as they breathe oxygen on to inflammatory rhetoric.

PersephonePotts · 24/10/2024 07:47

Also I don’t know what footage/evidenve @username35890 has been looking at but Kaba was NOT stationery, he was told to put his hands on his face, he put in hand on his face and use the other to try and drive off - where there were officers standing. Not to mention an officer had tried to open to door and nearly got his hand ripped off because Kaba drove as he did this. Its in the body cam footage and in the evidence

Youre telling me those aren’t aggressive or dangerous actions?? REALLY.

this is a man who supports county lines. Do you realise how that destroys young people?? He also had a propensity for extreme violence and very little consideration for innocent members of the public considering he fired shots in a very busy nightclub simply because he saw a rival gang member. This is not a person who is gonna stop and think “My priority is not myself but other people”.

If you wanna defend a man who’s a career criminal, grooms children into taking drugs, beats women and shoots people then you do you - but quit making out you’re the paragon of kindness and intelligence because you’ve talked absolute nonsense this whole thread.

PersephonePotts · 24/10/2024 08:01

Some of these responses are quite hilarious. My favourite has to be the one where someone thinks a long description of what armed police do should be yelled at people ramming back and forth into cars whilst surrounded by people. Great idea. Just crack on explaining what armed police are while your colleagues are getting squashed. Best to #BeKind ey Hmm

It’s amazing how quick people forget about the (justified IMO) outcry after Andrew Harper’s death 5 years ago. Cries of “more should have been done to protect him around those assumed dangerous” and saying protocols are too soft. We now have a man operating a heavy weapon, a weapon used the day before in a shooting; refusing the stop for police and behaving like a lunatic and the police are getting criticised for not having a softer approach.

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 08:11

It’s about right and wrong. Kaba was wrong. Blake was right. Khan and cronies wrong. Police right. Simple. Maybe some parents should start teaching kids right and wrong rather than letting them identifying as a cat or wolf, and all that shit.

PersephonePotts · 24/10/2024 08:11

Ramblomatic · 22/10/2024 00:57

There's an interesting discussion to be had here about Kaba's family.

They've lost their son which is - regardless of his life choices - objectively awful.

Their son has also been shot (albeit legally and justly) by a police officer from a force that has been found to be institutionally racist.

They have also pushed an unfounded conspiracy theory that he was wearing an expensive Rolex watch when he was shot, which has subsequently disappeared, the insinuation being that it was stolen by police or NHS staff (zero evidence for either).

Are they being unreasonable?

youre right in that losing a child, however terrible that child behaved, is objectively awful and devastating.

But it personally smarts with me that somebody would make a fuss about a Rolex (that there is no evidence he had on him) bought with money raised by being a criminal, by ruining lives, children’s lives at that. They don’t seem ashamed of his character and afraid that’s where I lose my sympathy

TwigletsAndRadishes · 24/10/2024 08:19

PersephonePotts · 24/10/2024 08:11

youre right in that losing a child, however terrible that child behaved, is objectively awful and devastating.

But it personally smarts with me that somebody would make a fuss about a Rolex (that there is no evidence he had on him) bought with money raised by being a criminal, by ruining lives, children’s lives at that. They don’t seem ashamed of his character and afraid that’s where I lose my sympathy

What is the Rolex reference about? I've not heard anything about that.

Edited to say: sorry, ignore me, just seen the post you quoted!

EsmaCannonball · 24/10/2024 09:36

I read an article that explained you are more likely to be killed by a lightning strike in the UK than you are to be shot dead by police. Chris Kaba was living a lifestyle that saw a raised risk of death at the hands of fellow gangsters as a price worth paying for big cars and expensive watches. Why did his parents raise him to be a gangster? If they cared about him, why didn't they intervene early to stop him entering that lifestyle? They are deflecting anger onto the police that should be turned inwards.

There have been several shootings in London in recent years where young children and other innocent bystanders have been left brain-damaged or paralysed or dead after gang members have sprayed bullets around, not caring who they kill as long as they also kill their rivals. All this concern about Chris Kaba when anyone can see from that nightclub shooting that he didn't care one tiny bit about murdering random strangers.

Kendodd · 24/10/2024 10:17

PersephonePotts · 24/10/2024 08:01

Some of these responses are quite hilarious. My favourite has to be the one where someone thinks a long description of what armed police do should be yelled at people ramming back and forth into cars whilst surrounded by people. Great idea. Just crack on explaining what armed police are while your colleagues are getting squashed. Best to #BeKind ey Hmm

It’s amazing how quick people forget about the (justified IMO) outcry after Andrew Harper’s death 5 years ago. Cries of “more should have been done to protect him around those assumed dangerous” and saying protocols are too soft. We now have a man operating a heavy weapon, a weapon used the day before in a shooting; refusing the stop for police and behaving like a lunatic and the police are getting criticised for not having a softer approach.

I watched the video, the police did shout at him to stop several times 'ARMED POLICE' so they did do that first, he continued raming the car.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/10/2024 10:30

He was portrayed as a loving expectant father when he had a restraining order on him for DV. How do Khan, Abbott and Corbyn justify defending someone like that?

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/10/2024 10:34

What is disturbing is the BBC interviewing random members of the public who say things like "the police should have shot the car tyres," who are not experts in weapons and how they're used. Irresponsible journalism.

bombastix · 24/10/2024 10:36

EsmaCannonball · 24/10/2024 09:36

I read an article that explained you are more likely to be killed by a lightning strike in the UK than you are to be shot dead by police. Chris Kaba was living a lifestyle that saw a raised risk of death at the hands of fellow gangsters as a price worth paying for big cars and expensive watches. Why did his parents raise him to be a gangster? If they cared about him, why didn't they intervene early to stop him entering that lifestyle? They are deflecting anger onto the police that should be turned inwards.

There have been several shootings in London in recent years where young children and other innocent bystanders have been left brain-damaged or paralysed or dead after gang members have sprayed bullets around, not caring who they kill as long as they also kill their rivals. All this concern about Chris Kaba when anyone can see from that nightclub shooting that he didn't care one tiny bit about murdering random strangers.

Absolutely right. Your chance of being shot by the police is tiny. Chris Kaba was living a life that guaranteed conflict with the law, and was violent. I don’t anyone should be sympathetic or surprised that his actions generated a lethal response from an armed police officer, which is very very rare in the U.K.

Gawdzooksing · 24/10/2024 10:49

Am curious to know about the “team” supporting CK parents in their “fight for justice”. Thinking they are not doing this on their own . Who is arranging the photo ops, making the signs for the “protestors” …

What organization has glomped onto this family & how long will they stay interested ….

Wouldn’t it be lovely if the “team” shifted their focus to getting rids of gangs, street guns and knives so the police don’t need to be armed ….

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 10:57

I feel so sorry for the police officer who took the (justifiably) shot. His and his family’s life has been turned upside because of this little shit and his family and supporters. Kaba deserved it. Blake and the police didn’t,

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 10:59

Ffs… can’t believe there’s a go fund me for the turd. And a West Ham football player has donated to it!!!

DadBodAlready · 24/10/2024 11:00

JaniceBattersby · 21/10/2024 18:50

Police officers should absolutely be named at charge, the same as any defendant. We can’t have one rule for some members of society and another for others - especially if they’re police officers. Trust in the criminal justice system is low enough without such an affront to open justice.

There was no chance any jury was ever going to convict him on that evidence but I am glad it was tested in court. If it hadn’t been, public confidence in the Met would have been further dented and the victim’s family would have called for justice for the next two decades. The prosecution of a police officer shooting a member of the public is usually going to be in the public interest, even if there’s a likely not guilty verdict.

And what about the fact that despite being found not guilty he and his family now have a price on their heads!
He can't return to his job, he and his family now need new identities and will probably spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders.
No he should not have been named unless found guilty. Who he or is family is has no bearing on the case.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 24/10/2024 11:12

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 10:59

Ffs… can’t believe there’s a go fund me for the turd. And a West Ham football player has donated to it!!!

Sick isn’t it. And that’s West Ham also brought into disrepute by their player’s action. Perhaps he can stand beside Khan, Abbott and Corbyn and explain to the public why they are lauding the criminal and continue to support the persecution of the exonerated policeman.

marshmallowmix · 24/10/2024 11:20

Babadookinthewardrobe · 24/10/2024 11:12

Sick isn’t it. And that’s West Ham also brought into disrepute by their player’s action. Perhaps he can stand beside Khan, Abbott and Corbyn and explain to the public why they are lauding the criminal and continue to support the persecution of the exonerated policeman.

That is appalling! everything that is wrong with society....

DanielaDressen · 24/10/2024 11:29

DadBodAlready · 24/10/2024 11:00

And what about the fact that despite being found not guilty he and his family now have a price on their heads!
He can't return to his job, he and his family now need new identities and will probably spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders.
No he should not have been named unless found guilty. Who he or is family is has no bearing on the case.

I completely agree with this. There's too many idiots out there who would happily target any police officer, never mind one who ahs (legally) killed a gang member. It's not fair that he is now at risk for doing his job. I agree that police officers should allowed to be anonymous (unless found guilty) in the same way that I believe SAS officers, etc have been allowed to remain anonymous.

FetchezLaVache · 24/10/2024 11:36

I don't understand why people on this thread think it's important to note that CK was found not to be in possession of a gun. Given that the car was known to have been involved in a shooting the previous day, surely the police had to assume there was a very high chance he did have a gun and they couldn't know for sure there wasn't until they were able to search the car, which wasn't see-through. I imagine nobody in that situation would take CK raising one empty hand as reliable proof that he had no gun. Therefore, they had to act on the assumption that he did.

Schroedinger's weaponry, innit.

TimTamTime · 24/10/2024 11:40

Have any of the organisations and individuals who called the death of a violent gangster a tragedy updated their public statements? That includes Jeremy Corben. If Kaba had lived he would have been tried and likely convicted of the shooting, and he already had multiple knife and gun related convictions and his pregnant girlfriend had restrictions against him due to domestic violence.

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 12:14

Same goes for Greenwich university who for some reason was kissing kaba’s arse…. Would not allow my kid now to go to that place.

Justsayit123 · 24/10/2024 12:15

They have removed the page but the opening detail link on intranet was:

5 Dec 2022 — In September, we heard the heartbreaking news of the death of Chris Kaba, a 24-year-old musician and aspiring architect who was expecting a baby ….

such BS