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Police officer cleared

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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:44

@VickyPollard25 I wonder how the families of the man he shot in the leg feel about that or all the young men violently coerced into drug running feel about that.

I think there should be an enquiry into sadiq khan

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:44

WalkingThroughTreacle · 22/10/2024 16:46

A lot of talk about confidence in the police being at rock bottom in the local community. How about confidence in the local community deserving to take a knock? We've all spent days/weeks listening to his family wailing on about how tragic and unjust the loss of his life was, police violence, miscarriage of justice etc etc and all along they knew fine well he was an extremely violent, gun-totting gangster. Frankly, I'm disgusted by them as much as him. I doubt many of the local community who stood supporting the family in their protests were unaware of CK's serious criminal activities either, so I'm pretty disgusted with them too.

I get that the majority honest, law abiding black community have their own wholly legitimate grievances with the MET, where institutional racism is a long-standing and ongoing issue. Standing beside the families of violent thugs does them no favours though. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. They may well be your enemy too.

Thank you. The voice of reason.

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:46

He shot someone a week before who was being rehabilitated?

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:47

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 18:47

Isn’t the whole point of prison so that the offender can be rehabilitated? Bringing up someone’s past convictions as a ‘gotcha’ moment after they’ve served time for their crime is bizarre

No, the whole point of prison is not rehabilitation! It’s also to protect the public from dangerous people who are not capable of being part of society, AND as a punishment for criminal behaviour.

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:51

ChesterDrawz · 22/10/2024 17:11

It's not as simple as that.

His mother had been seeking an injunction to stop it being reported.

Well, men like that don’t evolve out of nowhere. She raised a violent criminal so clearly has issues herself.

Restlessinthenorth · 23/10/2024 07:51

@EasyTouch thank you for being the voice of reason here. Everything you say is right. I wish there were more voices likes yours in the mainstream media today. What is going on is so damaging for our communities, and for what, defending the likesof scumbags like Kaba? It's absolute madness

Restlessinthenorth · 23/10/2024 07:53

forgotmypassagain · 22/10/2024 23:25

Can I ask what will happen to the police officer now? Will he and his family be offered any sort of protection?

No. He is now likely to be subject to an internal disciplinary proceeding. It's absolutely outrageous. This is far from over for that poor man and his family

NeverAgainNelly · 23/10/2024 07:55

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:44

@VickyPollard25 I wonder how the families of the man he shot in the leg feel about that or all the young men violently coerced into drug running feel about that.

I think there should be an enquiry into sadiq khan

Being that was a gang rival he specifically hunted down I imagine his family are just as in denial about his affairs as the family of CK appear to be. It is bizarre they seem so blinded at the things he was involved in.

lmhj · 23/10/2024 07:55

@EasyTouch Flowers wonderful post. You should go into journalism

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:59

Well the family and all those on TV speaking have lost all credibility in my eyes. Not that my opinion matters at all.

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:59

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:44

@VickyPollard25 I wonder how the families of the man he shot in the leg feel about that or all the young men violently coerced into drug running feel about that.

I think there should be an enquiry into sadiq khan

I couldn’t agree more!

Workhardcryharder · 23/10/2024 08:18

JaniceBattersby · 21/10/2024 18:50

Police officers should absolutely be named at charge, the same as any defendant. We can’t have one rule for some members of society and another for others - especially if they’re police officers. Trust in the criminal justice system is low enough without such an affront to open justice.

There was no chance any jury was ever going to convict him on that evidence but I am glad it was tested in court. If it hadn’t been, public confidence in the Met would have been further dented and the victim’s family would have called for justice for the next two decades. The prosecution of a police officer shooting a member of the public is usually going to be in the public interest, even if there’s a likely not guilty verdict.

Do you not acknowledge the extra dangers police officers face in cases like these? A gang member has been killed. The police officer was innocent meaning he legally did not do anything wrong. Now he has a bounty on his head…. Do you not believe he should be protected? He would not be in this position if he were a regular member of the public.

Workhardcryharder · 23/10/2024 08:19

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:51

Well, men like that don’t evolve out of nowhere. She raised a violent criminal so clearly has issues herself.

Not only did she raise a violent criminal, but she refuses to place any accountability on him, it’s everyone else’s fault her son died.

Wonder how he ended up the way he did..

ThatsNotMyTeen · 23/10/2024 08:26

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 18:34

He did his time. Do you not believe in rehabilitation? You seem to be bringing up his past offences as if that’s a good enough reason for killing him?

Well he wasn’t rehabilitated, was he? He was allegedly involved again in serious crime.

I don’t think it’s a good thing he was shot dead but nor do I think it was murder. He didn’t “deserve” it per se but he brought it on himself due to his lifestyle and his behaviours on the day.

No loss to society and his family should STFU and grieve quietly,’instead of making this about something it’s not.

Nolongera · 23/10/2024 08:37

"bUt hE LovED hiS mUm, hE wAs gOiNG to bE anarCHitekt."

Cop is a hero, criminal died due to his own choices in a lawful stop, end of.

The vehicle was stopped based on intelligence ( accurate as it turns out) it had been involved in recent shootings.

Mr Kaba would have been well aware that his arrest would likely lead to an extremely long stretch, attempt murder with a firearm in a crowded club he is looking at 30 years.

Possibly as a result of this he decided to fight his way out.

I am sorry for his family but he made these choices.

EsmaCannonball · 23/10/2024 08:55

People often get very confused about the conditions surrounding legal trials applying to everyday life. There are restrictions on reporting an individual's previous convictions if that individual is being prosecuted for a crime, purely in order to ensure a fair trial. However, in all other areas of life past behaviour is known to be an excellent indicator of future behaviour.

Anyway, that is all irrelevant because the police were dealing the immediate situation of a massive SUV that had been involved in an attempted shooting murder being deliberately driven at them. They knew that much.

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 23/10/2024 08:59

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 07:47

No, the whole point of prison is not rehabilitation! It’s also to protect the public from dangerous people who are not capable of being part of society, AND as a punishment for criminal behaviour.

Maybe read my additional posts?

JRSKSSBH · 23/10/2024 09:06

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:11

The police have stated that they didn’t know who he was when they shot him.

At that moment, it didn’t matter about his criminal history because they had no idea who he was.

He could have been related to the owner of the vehicle or an innocent person who had just bought it.

His criminal history is irrelevant.

Yes he was a scrote if he killed someone but that’s not the issue.
The issue is that the police shot and killed an unarmed person, they had no idea who he was and whether he was a criminal.

No one would now say the police officer deserves to be killed because of his actions.
We know the police officer shot and killed someone but we don’t justify someone now killing him.

People who kill peados still get sentenced to murder, even if the person they killed was a monster.

We live in a society of laws and an eye for an eye doesn’t work.

With all due respect, do you know anything about this case? Even the most cursory of glances through a newspaper would show that you are peddling mistruths. I finding it astounding that you can have so many opinions and so little regard for facts. Or is that the point? As a social justice warrior, distortion is a valuable tool.

Astrabees · 23/10/2024 09:06

@Tryonemoretime Who would I call if my daughter went missing? Well, Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman's mother tried calling the police. They police did nothing so the family had to go out and find their bodies themselves, only for officers to take disgusting photographs when they did arrive. I'd hesitate to call the police for an adult as it seems to result in lurid reporting in the tabloids pretty quickly (I am thinking of the poor woman who fell in the river and drowned) They also don't seem to be any good at actually finding people.

Toddlerteaplease · 23/10/2024 09:09

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 23/10/2024 07:59

Well the family and all those on TV speaking have lost all credibility in my eyes. Not that my opinion matters at all.

Agreed. His cousin saying that people aren't safe if the police behave like that. Errr try taking the place out of your own eye, as the saying goes.

JRSKSSBH · 23/10/2024 09:11

Nolongera · 23/10/2024 08:37

"bUt hE LovED hiS mUm, hE wAs gOiNG to bE anarCHitekt."

Cop is a hero, criminal died due to his own choices in a lawful stop, end of.

The vehicle was stopped based on intelligence ( accurate as it turns out) it had been involved in recent shootings.

Mr Kaba would have been well aware that his arrest would likely lead to an extremely long stretch, attempt murder with a firearm in a crowded club he is looking at 30 years.

Possibly as a result of this he decided to fight his way out.

I am sorry for his family but he made these choices.

That would be the family who nurtured a violent criminal, a man who beat up a pregnant woman, who extorted money from immigrant women, who shot a firearm in a packed nightclub? My sympathy for them is also tempered by the knowledge that they may have profited from his gang connections and status. My sympathy is also limited by their attempt to manipulate the media narrative and suppress the reality of the who CK was.

Orangeaperitif · 23/10/2024 09:11

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 06:54

Agree. It's quite perverse that nobody seems to be asking how the gang violence of Kaba and associates gets tackled, and instead the attention is focusing on the police response.

The gang crime is a far bigger problem with a far worse impact.

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I wish the BBC or Guardian had found a voice like yours or the poster you quoted when they reported about the feelings of the community.

After all the harm and terror Kaba and his gang bring to their community, seeing his family being paraded as some sort of community voice (and, unsurprisingly, steering the discussion away from gang violence) must feel incredibly disempowering.

Nolongera · 23/10/2024 09:13

Orangeaperitif · 23/10/2024 09:11

I wish the BBC or Guardian had found a voice like yours or the poster you quoted when they reported about the feelings of the community.

After all the harm and terror Kaba and his gang bring to their community, seeing his family being paraded as some sort of community voice (and, unsurprisingly, steering the discussion away from gang violence) must feel incredibly disempowering.

Community it traumatised, we shouldn't focus on Mr Kabas criminality apparently, they could have shot the tyres out.

Wonder if they are on here?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

Are they traumatised about the night club shooting he did too?

Chris Kaba

Chris Kaba: Black Londoners traumatised, community leaders say

Community leaders say London's black communities are "traumatised" over the Chris Kaba court case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

Tryonemoretime · 23/10/2024 09:13

@Astrabees Yes. There are bad apples. No one is disputing that. But there are countless others who work hard and do their best to get things right and you never hear about them as good news is rarely reported in the press. So - if my child went missing, I was attacked or someone burgled my house, would I call the police? Yes. What about you?

Astrabees · 23/10/2024 09:19

Of course I may need to call the police but I would be very concerned about their behaviour, I'd record any conversations and video any visits to my house. I speak as someone who was a Criminal Defence solicitor for over 20 years and it is far from the case there are only a few bad apples. The last practice that I worked with had a small unit that dealt in bringing civil proceedings against the police where there was misfeasance in their duties, it was very busy indeed.

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