Police officer cleared

[Toomanywars]

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

Maybe you should be a police officer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing...do you think if the police officers could have said with certainty that there were no weapons in the car and that he would have not hurt anyone with his car, they would have shoot him anyway? There is no way police would do that knowing they would be dragged to hell and back by the public, jury's and the police force for years after taking this decision. This decision was taken in an attempt to protect their own lives and the public.

Um, you said this I don’t think the reasons you’ve stated, was enough for the office to kill him. Especially as they weren’t even known at the time

His specific offences weren’t know, but the fact the vehicle he was driving had been involved in a shooting was known, so either way, it was known there was involvement in gun crime that warranted serious intervention from armed officers. It’s you who’s being obtuse in your desperation to defend a lawfully killed criminal!

And don’t drive a nice car while black (I don’t mean Kaba)! 🙄

Apparently the dead man did not drive his car at a Police Officer until the Officer stood in front of the car to shoot him 🤷‍♀️

Sorry, what? There is publicly available footage that shows the car being rammed into various police vehicles trying to block him in.

Oh yes, it’s everything to do with driving a nice car and nothing whatsoever to do with a car being involved in a shooting the night before 😂. You are making yourself look very silly with these comments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy0l048xky7o

video of the shooting linked to this car and him trying to ram his way out.

Who was the “registered driver”? I hadn’t seen that reported.

since Kaba didn’t respond appropriately to police when stopped, and show his details and explain whose “registered driver” car he was driving …. LE never did get to find out.

Kaba’s response to LE put everyone - civilians, LE and himself, at significant risk of harm. The body cam very significant evidence … when he initially puts hands up, then drops right hand down - reaching for ? Then ramming forward, then back.

No of that is complying, all creates risk to his own life. One might think he was attempting death by cop.

Does anyone think police should have downed weapons and let Kaba just do more ramming and/or potentially draw a weapon? Wait for Kaba to decide his next move?

Chris Kaba was a violent criminal, but it looks like what he was doing with his car was trying to get away, not drive it at people. I don’t know if that was the case and you don’t either if you didn’t sit through the trial. Criminals are entitled to a trial in this country. Be careful what you wish for.

You have completely missed the point. He wasn’t shot to stop him from driving off. He was shot to stop him from potentially killing police officers in his attempt to get away.

And yes, criminals are entitled to a trial. And a trial is what he likely would have got if he’d done what he was told to do. What criminals aren’t entitled to, however, is carte blanche to injure and kill whoever tries to stop them from escaping, whether it’s intentional or not.

Yes, I didn’t suggest he didn’t do that. I said, just as you quoted “the dead man did not drive his car at a police officer . . . . .”.

Well they could have shot the tyres for one thing and immobilised the vehicle.

The car was boxed in and didn’t pose much of a risk because it couldn’t get the speed to do damage.

Shoot the tyres and then approach the car.

If he pulled a gun (which he wouldn’t have because he was unarmed), then shoot.

Shooting the tyres doesn't immobilise a vehicle.

Stick to watching films.

No but it deflates them which is why the police regularly use tyre spikes and traps.

They wouldn’t bother using them if they weren’t often successful.

Theres no reason that couldn’t have been done in this situation.

That’s really interesting and I saw someone say something similar up thread. I had no clue armed officers are trained to kill if they have to fire a shot. Quite scary really.

I also did not mean that Kaba was a rehabilitated man, he obviously wasn’t. My point was, listing someone’s prior convictions when they’ve already served time in prison is baffling to me. If the point of prison is rehabilitation (and punishment as someone rightly pointed out to me), why continuously list their previous convictions if they’ve served time for it? The OP was listing his convictions as if to say, ‘he’s worth being dead because of xyz conviction.’ I didn’t agree with that at all

Presumably, you do realise that cars still move with flat tyres? And he wasn’t unarmed, he was using his car as a weapon.

None of that was known at the time

The reason the police were armed was precisely because of the reasonable suspicion that the car was in control of an armed suspect.

Shooting out tyres! Very naive. This isn't films where tyres are shot and immediately deflate. Today's tyres are reinforced with steel so you can drive with significant damage. This was a 80k car, the tyres would be top of the range. The policeman was infront of the car, very bravely, I imagine he initially thought the driver WOULD stop. He had no opportunity to shoot tyres but he would also know it was pointless.

It must have been terrifying for the officers. Anyone who doesn't understand this must be lacking empathy.

People talking about the speed of the vehicle - i used to work for a personal injury solicitor. We had a claim to pursue once where someone let off their handbrake on an SUV and the vehicle rolled down a metre or so down a slight incline at low speed. It pinned someone between the vehicle and a garage door. The person lost a leg and had internal injuries. Their life was irrevocably changed. A vehicle doesn't need to be travelling quickly to cause significant injuries.

And not without risk of harming others, civilians and LE. Just stand there and shoot bullets, close range at tyres/wheels …see what ricochets and hits other people!

They wouldn’t bother using them if they weren’t often successful.
Theres no reason that couldn’t have been done in this situation.

They work if someone is driving along a road, already moving. In this situation he could have just driven on the rims.
That aside, you expect someone to risk their life walking around a car to shoot all four tyres while it's frantically revving and crashing back and forward?

Of course he could have killed one or more police officers if he'd pinned them, they'd have been crushed.

It's clear that some people see the world through such a specific lens and agenda that they actually can't see reality any more, and will tie themselves in knots to defend the indefensible.

All the people saying it was wrong and he was no threat…have you watched the video of Kaba trying to ram his car between two police cars then reversing quickly to make another move? The video of him shooting a man in a nightclub? Honestly it feels like he’s been defended for the sake of it when clearly he deserved everything he got….

Please🤣 I literally wasn’t talking to you so I can’t even take you seriously. Purposely putting words in my mouth when I didn’t even quote you. Bye

So you think driving at a fast speed and then blowing out the tyres of a fast moving vehicle is safer for bystanders, than a car moving at a slow speed with flare tyres?

But you said it would immobilise the vehicle?

Where might the bullets go after they have shot out the tyres?

The 101st chairborne are out in force tonight, experts who haven't a clue.

Just think how much good they could do & how many young black boys could be saved from a life of armed gang culture if they spoke out about that instead of portraying him as a hero.

Indeed, where are the condolences to the victim who had been shot in the leg twice the precious evening.
And the statement from the family about turning his life about and becoming an architect. Lol. Give me strength. Let me guess “he was a good boy”. 🤯
Glad I wasn’t on the jury, I’d have acquitted the police officer without hearing a word of evidence.

So you think driving at a fast speed and then blowing out the tyres of a fast moving vehicle is safer for bystanders, than a car moving at a slow speed with flare tyres?

I have no idea, and that's not what's being discussed. I'm saying that even with four tyres down, that car could have been driven on the rims and crushed someone.
Why should the police risk death to save the life of some criminal? I'm glad it was him and not one of them.