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Toomanywars · 2024-10-21T17:39:27+00:00

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 19:53

ChefsKisser · 22/10/2024 19:40

All the people saying it was wrong and he was no threat…have you watched the video of Kaba trying to ram his car between two police cars then reversing quickly to make another move? The video of him shooting a man in a nightclub? Honestly it feels like he’s been defended for the sake of it when clearly he deserved everything he got….

He’s being blindly defended because he
was black. He’s being defended by wannabe social justice warriors incapable of looking at the actual facts of what happened and seeing at them through an objective lens.

He was, whatever the colour of his skin, a lawless scrote who played with fire and got burned. It’s a sad state of affairs that we have to have armed police but we 100% do because of people like Kuba who think they are above the law and behave in a way that puts the whole community at risk. People like him are bad for us all, black people and white people, young people and old. Whole communities shattered by violence, drugs and egos.

He was not a good person. His family are not good people.

Orangeaperitif · 22/10/2024 19:58

One thing that perplexes me about this whole story:
The person Kaba killed in the nightclub was black. Of all the other people him and his gang intimidated, blackmailed, hassled, etc., I would venture a high percentage was black as well.
Undoubtedly, Kaba was a much bigger threat to the black community than Blake. This is now known to all, but was most likely know to the immediate community since the day it happened
Everybody that has the wellbeing of the black community at heart, should think and talk about that!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 19:58

If the point of prison is rehabilitation (and punishment as someone rightly pointed out to me), why continuously list their previous convictions if they’ve served time for it?

Because there are contexts where it's important to be aware what kind of person the subject is - for example when starting a new relationship, or when it's suggested a decent guy is only dead because of police brutality, or (an obvious one) when someone with a criminal record applies for a job

Though the sentence may have been served the criminality still remains part and parcel of who the person is or was, and there are circumstances where that's worth knowing

Tryonemoretime · 22/10/2024 19:59

Astrabees · 21/10/2024 20:08

There is no integrity in the Metropolitan Police. Whether they are driving or using firearms the cavalier attitude, total disregard for safety and trying to cover their tracks afterwards is very clear and totally disgusting. There are a long list of cases - Jean Charles de Menezes, William Cameron, Heather Smedley and many more who have lost their lives to incompetence and worse. The organisation that nurtured Wayne Cousins and the officers who behaved so appallingly to the bodies of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman is not one that any of us can rely on to uphold standards of even common decency. Chris Kaba and his family did not get justice.

So who will you call if your daughter goes missing? Or your son is attacked? Or if you are mugged? In any large professional body there will always be a proverbial bad apple, but most police are just people trying their best to do a good job to protectthe public. I wouldn't have swapped my job with theirs for all the money in the world. Would you?

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:01

Nolongera · 22/10/2024 19:50

But you said it would immobilise the vehicle?

Where might the bullets go after they have shot out the tyres?

The 101st chairborne are out in force tonight, experts who haven't a clue.

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You can’t care where the billets would go when he shot him (and missed his target).

Shooting at tyres (the floor) of a boxed in vehicle vs shooting at someone’s head sat down (child’s head height or adults chest height) is completely different.

If you genuinely cared about stray bullets you would say they should have either shot the tyres or not pulled out their gun at all.

It’s contradicting to worry about stray bullets but then think that the police did the right thing by shooting bullets.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2024 20:04

Tryonemoretime · 22/10/2024 19:59

So who will you call if your daughter goes missing? Or your son is attacked? Or if you are mugged? In any large professional body there will always be a proverbial bad apple, but most police are just people trying their best to do a good job to protectthe public. I wouldn't have swapped my job with theirs for all the money in the world. Would you?

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@Astrabees I’m wondering too

Nolongera · 22/10/2024 20:07

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:01

You can’t care where the billets would go when he shot him (and missed his target).

Shooting at tyres (the floor) of a boxed in vehicle vs shooting at someone’s head sat down (child’s head height or adults chest height) is completely different.

If you genuinely cared about stray bullets you would say they should have either shot the tyres or not pulled out their gun at all.

It’s contradicting to worry about stray bullets but then think that the police did the right thing by shooting bullets.

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The rounds the police fire are designed to expand in flesh to reduce the chance of them passing through.

Lyraloo · 22/10/2024 20:10

username35890 · 21/10/2024 18:57

He wasn't armed and from the footage no one was in imminent danger. The officer who shot him stood in front of the car and shot him in the head. I thought the police were meant to disarm people, not kill them.

You think being trapped between two cars with one of them being rammed backwards and forwards, provides no threat to life or serious injury! If he hadn’t done anything wrong, why didn’t he just stop at the road block?

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:11

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 19:53

He’s being blindly defended because he
was black. He’s being defended by wannabe social justice warriors incapable of looking at the actual facts of what happened and seeing at them through an objective lens.

He was, whatever the colour of his skin, a lawless scrote who played with fire and got burned. It’s a sad state of affairs that we have to have armed police but we 100% do because of people like Kuba who think they are above the law and behave in a way that puts the whole community at risk. People like him are bad for us all, black people and white people, young people and old. Whole communities shattered by violence, drugs and egos.

He was not a good person. His family are not good people.

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The police have stated that they didn’t know who he was when they shot him.

At that moment, it didn’t matter about his criminal history because they had no idea who he was.

He could have been related to the owner of the vehicle or an innocent person who had just bought it.

His criminal history is irrelevant.

Yes he was a scrote if he killed someone but that’s not the issue.
The issue is that the police shot and killed an unarmed person, they had no idea who he was and whether he was a criminal.

No one would now say the police officer deserves to be killed because of his actions.
We know the police officer shot and killed someone but we don’t justify someone now killing him.

People who kill peados still get sentenced to murder, even if the person they killed was a monster.

We live in a society of laws and an eye for an eye doesn’t work.

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:15

Nolongera · 22/10/2024 20:07

The rounds the police fire are designed to expand in flesh to reduce the chance of them passing through.

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No they expand on impact of anything, to do more damage.

Even if it was just flesh that they expanded in, it would only be marginally safer if they don’t miss - which the police officer admitted he did.

So either stray bullets are a concern or they’re not.

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 20:17

Choochoo21 · 22/10/2024 20:11

The police have stated that they didn’t know who he was when they shot him.

At that moment, it didn’t matter about his criminal history because they had no idea who he was.

He could have been related to the owner of the vehicle or an innocent person who had just bought it.

His criminal history is irrelevant.

Yes he was a scrote if he killed someone but that’s not the issue.
The issue is that the police shot and killed an unarmed person, they had no idea who he was and whether he was a criminal.

No one would now say the police officer deserves to be killed because of his actions.
We know the police officer shot and killed someone but we don’t justify someone now killing him.

People who kill peados still get sentenced to murder, even if the person they killed was a monster.

We live in a society of laws and an eye for an eye doesn’t work.

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He was driving a car that was linked to TWO firearms offences; I think it was understandable of the police to assume that he may have been in possession of a firearm. If he’d stopped when asked and got out of the car and showed them he wasn’t then maybe everything would have been okay for him, but it wasn’t…because he decided use his car as a weapon and ram his way out.

I’ll ask again - what else should the police have done? And please don’t say shoot him in the leg, shoot the tyres, taser him through the windows, or ask him nicely, because we’ve covered that already

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 20:21

It's pretty apparent on X that BLM have latched onto this.

suburburban · 22/10/2024 20:23

Everyone's lives matter

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 20:25

Orangeaperitif · 22/10/2024 19:58

One thing that perplexes me about this whole story:
The person Kaba killed in the nightclub was black. Of all the other people him and his gang intimidated, blackmailed, hassled, etc., I would venture a high percentage was black as well.
Undoubtedly, Kaba was a much bigger threat to the black community than Blake. This is now known to all, but was most likely know to the immediate community since the day it happened
Everybody that has the wellbeing of the black community at heart, should think and talk about that!

Again, black on black crime does not exist so your point is irrelevant. It’s standard crime and should be viewed as much. When a white person kills another white person, are you talking about the effect that it has on the community? There is no black on black crime

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 20:25

suburburban · 22/10/2024 20:23

Everyone's lives matter

And that’s literally the point of BLM but don’t let your ignorance get in the way of understanding the movement

suburburban · 22/10/2024 20:26

I know that and I'm not ignorant

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 20:30

And that’s literally the point of BLM but don’t let your ignorance get in the way of understanding the movement

I wish the movement wouldn't centre criminals, they might have more credibility then.

thebigchangeishere · 22/10/2024 20:30

@ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG

Really not meaning to sound stupid but what do you mean by black on black crime doesn't exist?

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Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 20:33

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 12:19

Fortunately prh has put it better on another thread.

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

Loveinacandle · Today 12:11

prh47bridge · Today 12:07
"I don't see anyone defending him. I do see people questioning whether the police should have shot him dead, which is very different.
As per one of my earlier posts, since 1990 nearly 1900 people have died either in police custody or as a result of contact with the police. In that time only one police officer has been convicted of murder or manslaughter in relation to these deaths. Some of the victims have been awful people. Others, such as Jean Charles de Menezes, had not done anything wrong. If we give the police a free pass on killing people because the victim was a violent criminal, more innocent people will be killed by the police.
I am not saying the police should never kill anyone. There are circumstances where it is the right thing to do. And, when forced to make a split-second decision, armed police may kill someone when, with more time to consider, it looks like the wrong decision. In those circumstances I support the police.
It is about getting the right balance. Holding police officers to account when they overstep the mark, but accepting they have a difficult job to do and making sure we don't undermine their ability to do it."

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Exactly this. If a Police office shoots you dead because they’re scared, is that okay? A criminal being chased by the police is hardly news but at what point does the police have the right to kill you. The verdict is unsurprising but I don’t think suggesting that he was a bad guy and therefore deserved it is the ‘gotcha’ that people seem to think it is

It's not a gotcha. Strange expression.

What his history shows is what a dangerous man he is.

The poor police officer is at risk and £10,'000 offered to share his whereabouts. Sadly, he and family are at risk. It's the correct verdict and the pains people go to to ensure a dangerous man is painted as a fluffy great citizen us a bit sad really.

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Cityandmakeup · 22/10/2024 20:35

He was hardly a ‘nice person’ as the media portrayed. Seems like he was a gun wielding gang member

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 20:38

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 20:30

And that’s literally the point of BLM but don’t let your ignorance get in the way of understanding the movement

I wish the movement wouldn't centre criminals, they might have more credibility then.

A lot of people that stand for BLM are condemning his actions and are agreeing with the verdict. I should know, I’m seeing the tweets all on my TL

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 20:42

thebigchangeishere · 22/10/2024 20:30

@ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG

Really not meaning to sound stupid but what do you mean by black on black crime doesn't exist?

There’s no such thing as black on black crime. That’s a phrased used in moments like these where people will say, ‘why has the news mentioned the percentage of black men that have been killed by the police when they should be focusing on all the black on black crime that’s going on.’

‘Black on black crime’ is just crime. Standard crime. No one says ‘white on white’ or ‘asian on asian’ crime as it’s just viewed as crime, point blank. I could link a few articles that explain this a bit more clearly but that’s essentially it

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Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 20:45

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 22/10/2024 20:38

A lot of people that stand for BLM are condemning his actions and are agreeing with the verdict. I should know, I’m seeing the tweets all on my TL

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That's good.

I mean his actions lead to his death. He made made choices. Not only on thus occasion but with previous gun crime etc.

Painting him as an innocent victim does nobody any good.

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Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 20:47

A lot of people that stand for BLM are condemning his actions and are agreeing with the verdict. I should know, I’m seeing the tweets all on my TL

I'm glad to hear that. For some reason the algorithm seems to be pushing mainly the defenders on mine.

Livelovebehappy · 22/10/2024 20:53

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:06

Those with weak arguments often resort to personal attacks.

He didn't 'speed off' , his car wasn't travelling at speed. He was told to get out of the car, he reversed and hit the car behind him, he moved forward and hit a car to the side and then stopped.

If he was speeding, how come the officer was standing in front of the car?

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You still defend him then after todays revelations of Kaba’s background? A thug who’s been involved with the murder of others, and who is classed as a very dangerous individual? Or now will you be bleating about him being the product of a poor deprived background who was failed by society?