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To have taken this a little personal - comment about Cheryl / Liam

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Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 05:08

I will try not to drip feed and maybe she didn’t mean it the way it came across but I will try not to drip feed but can not give the whole background as it would be a novel and completely outing so will change some details,

DC was 7 when their dad died. We had been separated at this point for 7 years . I raised DC from 2 weeks old on my own. They knew their dad and he did have moments where DC existed I would say on average they saw him twice a year other than this there was a lot of drug history / rehab / cancellations of visits for holidays. DC loved them though and I did protect them from any sort of knowledge of what’s was happening.
at the time of his death there had been no contact for 6 months but I had heard he was in a bad way / with the wrong people again and was arrested for drug related offences. We had a few mutual friends.
the day I had to tell DC had died was the hardest thing I had to do. Instantly heartbroken and there was a lot of feelings to navigate as he wasn’t a solid fixture in their life they really struggled with processing that they were never going to get the chance to have the relationship with their dad they so desperately wanted. He died during a drug induced psychotic break down and refusing treatment for a septic track mark.
at the time I tried my best to navigate but it has been 7 years of hurt and pain / harassment / picking up the pieces when he was meant to come but didn’t.
I was heart broken for DC but it didn’t really impact my life apart from I was never going to get harassed again ( I know this sounds awful ) but I was very upset for DC. When it came to the social media posts my dc became ( not on the scale of world wide ) but locally the attention of everyone’s Facebook posts “ devoted dad to Ellie “ ( not real name )
which I won’t deny made me boil and then anger set in I then got angry that after all these years I was still going to be the one to pick up the pieces. Then it went back to sadness then guilt then anger again like it was a total rollercoaster of feelings. I never discussed my feelings with anyone because my DC feelings were all that mattered.
my DC did not want to attend the funeral, and I didn’t force it which did cause some backlash with his family ( who saw them even less than he did ) I was send the eulogy before hand as it came with the invite and was posted on some website. They had not even got our DC name right !
so I didn’t force it and I didn’t speak publicly about what had happened or sent any condolences to be honest.
I took DC out to a place that was a reminder of him and we had an our own day and got them in to therapy. Every year I make sure we have a day when it’s the anniversary. My only focus was DC.
our mutual friend who I have remained friends with since ( a good few years ago now ) commented on the lack of dedicated words to Liam in Cheryl’s statement and how it was very cut and dry and about bear and that there should have been some love towards him- she then made a sharp comment of “ guess another one who will portray them as a bad father / partner instead of one who was mentally ill “ - no one knew what it was like dealing with it for 7 long years of destruction. I had all the sympathy in the world for his parents / friends etc but I couldn’t pretend that he was this legendary devoted father who didn’t make my life hell and pretend he was all of a sudden a hero.
disclaimer I’m not saying that Liam was a bad dad etc I have no idea what his and Cheryl’s relationship was but from the history I’m sure she has dealt with the worth of this situation and bear for a while but again no idea so it’s not a debate about that but would you have taken this as a complete dig at me and not publicly sharing love and support for DC father ?

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Gowlett · 20/10/2024 08:35

I think Cheryl had to think carefully about her words, as Bear will read them (and everything else) in years to come…
Like you, she has her DC feelings at heart. You know best ❤️

LolleePop · 20/10/2024 08:36

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 07:47

I Apologise but then if you don’t you then are told if you add info later then your drip feeding. I haven’t projected my situation at all - our lives are very different it’s was the comment from a friend not the Liam dying situation

OP - do not apologise to this idiot poster.

TENSsion · 20/10/2024 08:39

That person is not a friend.

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 08:40

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 08:21

Tbf this is going to sound a touch harsh - I don’t really get what’s the word emotional over famous people’s death, I can have sympathy for their families but they don’t upset me. I do not see my situation the same at all in many many ways although I can sympathise with Cheryl in regard to having to tell bear but that’s about it.
the situation did not upset me or trigger me until her comment. It is the comment that’s upset me not the lives of people I don’t know and have never met.
her comment was harsh.

Fair enough sorry its hard to tell from an Internet comment. Rereading your comments and seeing how much she knows about your child's father then I am afraid I have to agree - it was intended as a dig at you and she is the one with the issue making someone else's death about your child's father.

Firestace · 20/10/2024 08:42

Even empathetic people struggle to comprehend what it's like unless they've been through it I think. I was relieved when my brother died as he was a waste of space junkie, was also relieved for his son (my nephew) because although his mum is absolutely incredible and did her best to protect him, he was still a toxic cloud around his life. Obviously not saying this was the case for Liam and Cheryl, but comments bemoaning why someone would centre their child as their main concern rather than an ex who by their own admission wasn't the dad they wanted to be are wild.

LolleePop · 20/10/2024 08:48

OP you don't need friends like this in your life. You need only positive, supportive friends.
Read the recent mumsnet thread called 'Let them'

GRex · 20/10/2024 08:49

The person who said that to you is not your friend, they do not care about you and they actually want you to be hurt. You need to back away as much as you can, while remaining superficially polite if there are mutual friends. Do not ever allow someone to use your private time to abuse you.

I'm sorry things have been so difficult for you and I'm sure your DC appreciates the efforts you have made for them, and they are the only one who matters.

ShiteRider · 20/10/2024 08:50

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The fact that you didn’t read it is patently obvious. Why you felt the need to comment on something with no actual understanding of it, isn’t.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/10/2024 08:52

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If your reading skills are poor, I'm not sure why you bothered to read any of the OP's post, just to make a snarky and unhelpful comment.

Createausername1970 · 20/10/2024 08:56

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 07:18

I do also think there is a bit of hate towards me because I explained to DC how and why he died which in my defence I didn’t want to, but the grieving service told me the best thing was honestly because If I portrayed him as this perfect loving father who just was busy all those times then DC might belief they were the problem and why they never visited - hope that makes sense.
It was also difficult because DC struggled massively with health including sepsis not to explain that it was different circumstances because they have a condition on the same risk as think “ oncology “ and so we didn’t want them to panic they were going to die to.
I can see that maybe to his family etc I might not have responded the way they wanted me to and I haven’t been overly friendly with them since ( not mean either ) but I don’t go out of my way to engage with them. I do however always answer my phone to his mum and allow her to speak and see DC when wanted However that’s only happened on their birthday once her their birthday and they have never visited.

You did exactly the right thing. If they believed he died in a road accident, for example, then found out something different, it could affect the trust they have in you.

We adopted our DS and were honest (in a very age appropriate way) about why he was adopted and the personalities of both birth parents. DS made contact with them a year or so ago and initially it was all sweetness and light, but it was an act that couldn't be sustained and the mask slipped. Everything that we had talked about over the years came into clear focus.

I appreciate completely that your child won't be in this situation, but the truth will out, as the saying goes, and it's better it comes from you and gives them a safe place to discuss their feelings around this, and their feelings will evolve as they grow up. To find it out unexpectedly when they had perhaps had a romanticised view of their dad could be damaging.

Your friend sounds like she has her own feelings to process - possibly guilt if she knew him longer if she feels she might have done more.

Whether you cut her any slack is up to you. She had her friend relationship with him, you had an entirely different relationship with entirely different implications etc.

Ignore it, you sound like you are doing the right thing by your child 💐

peachcob · 20/10/2024 09:04

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Penguinmouse · 20/10/2024 09:08

OP, I can totally understand why a similar situation like this would trigger a lot of feelings. Your friend sounds like a bit of an idiot. You know your approach is right and ultimately we don’t know the nature of the relationship between Liam, Cheryl and their son. Much like Cheryl, you’ve done the right thing by prioritising your little one.

Toomanyemails · 20/10/2024 09:10

Maybe a reach but if your friend was originally your DC's dad's friend, is it possible she has other friends with substance and mental health issues, and her comments was more about how society in general doesn't respond well to those issues, rather than a dig at you? If you think that's at all likely, I'd tell her you were hurt by what she said. If she defends it and it's clear she does criticise it, don't get into it and just distance from her. But she may be horrified you even interpreted it that way.
Sorry for what you've been through, it sounds like you navigated it very well.

HelloCheekyCat · 20/10/2024 09:16

Was that really necessary? Even if you only read half you should have realised that the OP went through a really shitty time and you having a dig about the length of the OP was just a dickish thing to do.

Sorry this was quoting a post which was deleted before I finished posting

HazelPlayer · 20/10/2024 09:20

She sounds like a silly dickhead.

Canonising useless bastards who've passed away, usually through their own actions, is a favourite past-time of a certain type of person.
Usually a not terribly intelligent person.

I would distance yourself.

How incredibly unfair to you.

Teateaandmoretea · 20/10/2024 09:27

HazelPlayer · 20/10/2024 09:20

She sounds like a silly dickhead.

Canonising useless bastards who've passed away, usually through their own actions, is a favourite past-time of a certain type of person.
Usually a not terribly intelligent person.

I would distance yourself.

How incredibly unfair to you.

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I completely agree.

It sounds to me like he was a totally shit dad no more or less.

If it hasn’t been for the OP his kids would have been taken into care I imagine, as he wasn’t really a parent at all.

Teateaandmoretea · 20/10/2024 09:30

The other thing is that Cheryl will have PR people advising her on how to respond. The last thing she needs is some social media shitstorm starting over it.

SemperIdem · 20/10/2024 09:33

Your friend is at best, a thoughtless arse.

I thought Cheryl’s statement was very balanced and thoughtful. I have no insight into their co-parenting relationship of course, but they have their challenges before mental health difficulties and addiction issues are thrown into the mix so suspect it has not been a plain sailing sort of relationship. She was respectful and kind, with a focus on her and Liam’s young son.

RandomMess · 20/10/2024 09:46

I think it's was a really bitchy comment from your supposed "friend".

Most of us who are "mentally unwell" still put our DC first. If it was a woman who had behaved like that she would be vilified.

Americano75 · 20/10/2024 09:51

I wouldn't want to be in her company after that, and I'm furious on your behalf. You sound like a wonderful mum, your wee one is very lucky.

pizzaHeart · 20/10/2024 09:54

I also agree with others that Cheryl’s statement was very warm towards Liam, it’s actually surprised me a bit. I didn’t know details of their history but simple calculation of his age plus how long they were together and mentions of some of his struggles in the press made you to suspect that reality was more like your situation, OP rather then all rosiness of “devoted father”.
So if I got this feeling just from a few facts your friend who obviously knew your situation was absolutely having a dig at you.
I would cut her off straight away and I wouldn’t give her any explanations as it might upset you. I wonder why and what their motives were, it seems they were jealous towards you for quite a while.
You sound like a really great mum and a sensible person.

Wordsmithery · 20/10/2024 09:59

You sound like an awesome parent, OP.
I don't think it's likely your friend was sniping at you - because that would be so nasty, given everything you've been through. Unless she really believes you've handled your own situation all wrong. She sounds like she's lacking understanding about how hard it is being the parent who has to pick up the pieces.
Either way, you should challenge her. You can't continue a friendship until you understand her true views about your own situation. And you might want to put her straight on a few things. If you don't say anything, you might always wonder if she's got your back.

Leopardprintlover101 · 20/10/2024 10:01

Your friend sounds stupid.

People with no experience or clue about things are usually ones with the most to say.

Ignore!

fourelementary · 20/10/2024 10:06

@Ionlytrymybest It sounds like you have done an incredible job given the very shitty cards you were dealt. You handled the relationship (or lack thereof) and his death well for your child and the subsequent “praise” for him after death with dignity as I too would have wanted to scream at his family of wasters that he wasn’t devoted to his children at all! So well done!!!

Now onto your friend. Is she a good one? Do you have a good firm friendship? If so, perhaps you need to address this and the hurt she has caused. Let her have the chance to reconsider what she said and apologise as if she is a good friend she may have just been totally thoughtless. But if there is any iffy feelings on the friendship anyway- just back off from it and if she asks why, tel her you were hurt by her thoughtless remark about “that type of parent” and how being a drug addict actually DOES mean you’re not a good parent, sorry but it does. And a good parent would realise that and get help and support to try their hardest to get clean- regardless of whether they failed umpteen times, it is the effort and recognition of the child being most important that makes someone a decent parent.

OpalTree · 20/10/2024 10:10

My mum was mentally ill and a bad mother. Your friend is talking BS.