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To have taken this a little personal - comment about Cheryl / Liam

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Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 05:08

I will try not to drip feed and maybe she didn’t mean it the way it came across but I will try not to drip feed but can not give the whole background as it would be a novel and completely outing so will change some details,

DC was 7 when their dad died. We had been separated at this point for 7 years . I raised DC from 2 weeks old on my own. They knew their dad and he did have moments where DC existed I would say on average they saw him twice a year other than this there was a lot of drug history / rehab / cancellations of visits for holidays. DC loved them though and I did protect them from any sort of knowledge of what’s was happening.
at the time of his death there had been no contact for 6 months but I had heard he was in a bad way / with the wrong people again and was arrested for drug related offences. We had a few mutual friends.
the day I had to tell DC had died was the hardest thing I had to do. Instantly heartbroken and there was a lot of feelings to navigate as he wasn’t a solid fixture in their life they really struggled with processing that they were never going to get the chance to have the relationship with their dad they so desperately wanted. He died during a drug induced psychotic break down and refusing treatment for a septic track mark.
at the time I tried my best to navigate but it has been 7 years of hurt and pain / harassment / picking up the pieces when he was meant to come but didn’t.
I was heart broken for DC but it didn’t really impact my life apart from I was never going to get harassed again ( I know this sounds awful ) but I was very upset for DC. When it came to the social media posts my dc became ( not on the scale of world wide ) but locally the attention of everyone’s Facebook posts “ devoted dad to Ellie “ ( not real name )
which I won’t deny made me boil and then anger set in I then got angry that after all these years I was still going to be the one to pick up the pieces. Then it went back to sadness then guilt then anger again like it was a total rollercoaster of feelings. I never discussed my feelings with anyone because my DC feelings were all that mattered.
my DC did not want to attend the funeral, and I didn’t force it which did cause some backlash with his family ( who saw them even less than he did ) I was send the eulogy before hand as it came with the invite and was posted on some website. They had not even got our DC name right !
so I didn’t force it and I didn’t speak publicly about what had happened or sent any condolences to be honest.
I took DC out to a place that was a reminder of him and we had an our own day and got them in to therapy. Every year I make sure we have a day when it’s the anniversary. My only focus was DC.
our mutual friend who I have remained friends with since ( a good few years ago now ) commented on the lack of dedicated words to Liam in Cheryl’s statement and how it was very cut and dry and about bear and that there should have been some love towards him- she then made a sharp comment of “ guess another one who will portray them as a bad father / partner instead of one who was mentally ill “ - no one knew what it was like dealing with it for 7 long years of destruction. I had all the sympathy in the world for his parents / friends etc but I couldn’t pretend that he was this legendary devoted father who didn’t make my life hell and pretend he was all of a sudden a hero.
disclaimer I’m not saying that Liam was a bad dad etc I have no idea what his and Cheryl’s relationship was but from the history I’m sure she has dealt with the worth of this situation and bear for a while but again no idea so it’s not a debate about that but would you have taken this as a complete dig at me and not publicly sharing love and support for DC father ?

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HereForTheFreeLunch · 20/10/2024 07:18

You could say something like 'its almost like there are deep undercurrents that you know nothing about' but personally I would actually note mentally , not say anything but steer clear from her in future.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 20/10/2024 07:22

It was definitely either meant to sting or was thoughtless. Since you have clarified that she was actually your ex's friend rather than yours, I would guess it was the former.

I wouldn't consider her a friend to you at all after that comment.

Codlingmoths · 20/10/2024 07:24

If she ever said anything else I’d be pretty blunt, ‘let’s be honest he was a shit dad and it’s been no joke managing my child’s therapy for why their dad never saw them. If you had done years of that you might see it differently.

JMSA · 20/10/2024 07:27

You are amazing Flowers

Newuser75 · 20/10/2024 07:32

Firstly I think you sound like you have done an amazing job!
Yes I'd also agree that the comment was very misplaced and I'd be feeling the same as you in your situation.
I do have to agree with others about Cheryl's statement. I took it to be very protective and caring towards Liam. I think the comments she made about Bear were important. He is a young child and obviously will be her main priority through this,. Just as he should be. I thought she did an excellent job with it.

chipsewfast · 20/10/2024 07:38

They're not a 'friend'. Lose them

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 07:39

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 05:48

She said it was very much about being heart broken about navigating the situation / bear and the press not a statement about losing Liam and what a great dad/guy he was.

I responded before reason it to be fair well bear is probably her main focus right now and that’s okay .. which is then she responded with that comment.

I think it's disgusting to be judging someone's statement like that. They've lost a person. Feelings are complicated. She wasn't in a relationship with him when he died they'd both moved on from that. I'd not have anything to do with anyone who judges how a bereaved person acts.

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Isthisreasonable · 20/10/2024 07:44

Absolutely this. Clearly the apple didn't fall too far from the tree either given his family's behaviour.

It's sadly one of those facts of life that people buy into the "don't speak ill of the dead" mantra. It really doesn't help in your dc's situation and you are doing an amazing job to protect their mental health.

Billybagpuss · 20/10/2024 07:44

I think she inadvertently or intentionally showed her feelings towards how you responded. Either way it’s not her place to judge as ok she lost a friend but she didn’t have to deal with any of the heavier things you were going through. I think I’d struggle to hang out with her again.

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 07:47

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I Apologise but then if you don’t you then are told if you add info later then your drip feeding. I haven’t projected my situation at all - our lives are very different it’s was the comment from a friend not the Liam dying situation

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sashh · 20/10/2024 07:51

I was brought up by two parents, one was mentally ill. I think it is incredibly difficult to be a good parent with certain mental illnesses.

If that illness is addiction the child knows they are at least second to that drink / drug / powder / whatever. That is the truth. A parent with an addiction will put that addiction first.

You sound like you have done everything your child needs and more.

scandina · 20/10/2024 07:53

I think you are amazing OP and honestly fuck anyone else who doesn't understand. I cannot imagine how hard this has been to navigate and everything you have done sounds right to me. I wish you luck and happiness (and supportive friends)

erinaceus · 20/10/2024 07:56

Do you think you would consider getting some therapy for yourself so you could express all this mix of emotions? You mentioned expressing them to your DC’s social worker. A few sessions now might help you process and feel confident in how you navigated the situation in the past and in the present. Or something else - like journaling even.

Sadly this celebrity death is unlikely to be the last time something or someone reminds you of what happened with your DC dad. If you process things a bit you might find when you get a reminder in the future it hits you for six a bit less.

You definitely deserve to make peace with what happened, what a challenging situation that went on for a long time Flowers

ssd · 20/10/2024 07:59

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 07:47

I Apologise but then if you don’t you then are told if you add info later then your drip feeding. I haven’t projected my situation at all - our lives are very different it’s was the comment from a friend not the Liam dying situation

@Ionlytrymybest , ignore that comment. Some posters really don't deserve head space.

And,FWIW, I think you sound bloody wonderful.

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 08:01

erinaceus · 20/10/2024 07:56

Do you think you would consider getting some therapy for yourself so you could express all this mix of emotions? You mentioned expressing them to your DC’s social worker. A few sessions now might help you process and feel confident in how you navigated the situation in the past and in the present. Or something else - like journaling even.

Sadly this celebrity death is unlikely to be the last time something or someone reminds you of what happened with your DC dad. If you process things a bit you might find when you get a reminder in the future it hits you for six a bit less.

You definitely deserve to make peace with what happened, what a challenging situation that went on for a long time Flowers

You are probably right - to be fair I did not realise it still affected me. DC is in regular therapy but it’s not something apart from anniversaries etc that I think about in a daily basis about, there has been a considerable amount of time past now.
it wasn’t until today that it all came flooding back and probably the first time I shed a tear about it since.
I suppose this doesn’t mean it didn’t affect me but more that maybe I just shut it in a box and avoided it.

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HappyFitnessQueen · 20/10/2024 08:02

@Ionkytrymybest I totally feel for you as I had/have a very similar situation with my dc's DF. He was a poor father and my dc were traumatised by his behaviour before he died and will forever be traumatised by the fact he took his life. It's the loss of any potential relationship that is the hardest and you can't ever fill that emotional gap. For me, I felt a lot of relief that he couldn't cause any more chaos...at the time, I didn't realise the emotional chaos his death would continue to release on his dc - especially his two eldest (not my dc) who continue to struggle 10 years on.

Your friend hasn't got a clue and it was a very weird and unkind comment to make. Consider her uneducated and ignorant. She has no real understanding of the complexity of the situation and at least she's shown you her emotional capacity. I'd distance myself...what's the value in a relationship with her?

I thought Cheryl's statement was perfect. It seems she does have some idea of the challenges ahead for her son now. It's heartbreaking and can never be undone. Whether he was a good father/person or not.

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 08:05

HappyFitnessQueen · 20/10/2024 08:02

@Ionkytrymybest I totally feel for you as I had/have a very similar situation with my dc's DF. He was a poor father and my dc were traumatised by his behaviour before he died and will forever be traumatised by the fact he took his life. It's the loss of any potential relationship that is the hardest and you can't ever fill that emotional gap. For me, I felt a lot of relief that he couldn't cause any more chaos...at the time, I didn't realise the emotional chaos his death would continue to release on his dc - especially his two eldest (not my dc) who continue to struggle 10 years on.

Your friend hasn't got a clue and it was a very weird and unkind comment to make. Consider her uneducated and ignorant. She has no real understanding of the complexity of the situation and at least she's shown you her emotional capacity. I'd distance myself...what's the value in a relationship with her?

I thought Cheryl's statement was perfect. It seems she does have some idea of the challenges ahead for her son now. It's heartbreaking and can never be undone. Whether he was a good father/person or not.

Yes !! Years on and DC is still so affected. I remember at the time my family and friends almost didn’t see the big deal because DC didn’t see him a lot or have a regular relationship with him that their life wasn’t really going to change. It’s so much more complex than that though I always say dc “ grieves the dad they wanted “ and they any hope of that was taken away.

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LunaNorth · 20/10/2024 08:10

Can I just say, OP, that you sound absolutely impressive, and your DC is so lucky to have you.

Ditch the friend. She’s not your friend, and doesn’t deserve you.

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 08:13

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While this is harsh I do think there is a risk you're projecting a tad though I can understand why the friends comment has got to you and personally I think I'd feel the same. I would give the "friend" lot of space from now on and focus on yourself. You've dealt with a lot and if this recent death has triggered you in someway that is understandable but it might be an idea to seek counselling

Definitelynotagladiator · 20/10/2024 08:14

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 08:05

Yes !! Years on and DC is still so affected. I remember at the time my family and friends almost didn’t see the big deal because DC didn’t see him a lot or have a regular relationship with him that their life wasn’t really going to change. It’s so much more complex than that though I always say dc “ grieves the dad they wanted “ and they any hope of that was taken away.

OP you are so brave! And I’m sure have handled this better than I would have.
All these people lack empathy. They are all thinking about it from their limited view. Whereas they should be thinking about it from DC’s view. You can either educate them or ignore them. I agree with PPs saying therapy would be good for you to express your feelings and get tools to navigate these feelings in the future.

Theunamedcat · 20/10/2024 08:16

On a personal level I hate it when people suddenly become sainted when they die like all their flaws drug/alcohol issues and the pain they caused just don't matter because they are dead ... it matters! You can't just "get over it" because they died in fact it makes it worse in a sense because you cannot turn to them and say you hurt me and they can't apologise for it so your left in limbo expected to forgive someone who never cared enough to change while they were alive

But yeah I think your right the was having a dig at you time to step back

Apolloneuro · 20/10/2024 08:16

Sounds like you’ve handled yourself well and don’t need to give a fuckety fuck what your friend thinks.

Ionlytrymybest · 20/10/2024 08:21

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 08:13

While this is harsh I do think there is a risk you're projecting a tad though I can understand why the friends comment has got to you and personally I think I'd feel the same. I would give the "friend" lot of space from now on and focus on yourself. You've dealt with a lot and if this recent death has triggered you in someway that is understandable but it might be an idea to seek counselling

Tbf this is going to sound a touch harsh - I don’t really get what’s the word emotional over famous people’s death, I can have sympathy for their families but they don’t upset me. I do not see my situation the same at all in many many ways although I can sympathise with Cheryl in regard to having to tell bear but that’s about it.
the situation did not upset me or trigger me until her comment. It is the comment that’s upset me not the lives of people I don’t know and have never met.
her comment was harsh.

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