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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:36

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:34

No trans women have been assaulted by men ?
Actually bonkers that you think this.

Can you link us to any examples of trans women being harmed by men whilst using men's toilets?

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:36

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2024 20:17

WELLL BOY DID THIS THREAD GET INTERESTING.

Can I remind people that the subject of this thread isn't about toilets.

It is about the creeping of trans activism into militancy and extreme actions which are into the land of the criminal.

Yet somehow it ended up being pages about toilets. Not about WHY the militancy which has ultimately driven this push to replace sex with gender and the resulting need for the LGB group concerned feeling a need to establish because their LEGAL sex based rights were NOT BEING UPHELD IN LINE WITH THE ACTUAL LAW.

Then somehow we see various individuals demonstrating a desire to control and comment on what posters on MN talk about.

I talk on MN about things that affect me and that I have experience with. Others will do exactly the same. They will bypass other subjects because they aren't emotionally invested in them in the same way. I have certain subjects I am passionate about. This is ok. No one has to justify this.

BUT the point comes back to power and control once again. And trying to create this idea that being passionate about a subject - which you may have a real connection with - is somehow shameful.

No one would come on MN and berate someone for only posting about SEN issues and how it affects them.

Women posting about women's issues? Well there's a long history of MRAs actively trying to target and disrupt discussions on MN. Lesbians talking about lesbian issues? Well look at this thread.

There's a theme.

Once again, I will remain the casual observer, this is a thread about a militant attack trying to silence people saying things, within the law and about their OWN RIGHTS (no one elses) that this militant group don't like and have tried to UNLAWFULLY AND ANTI-DEMOCRATICALLY disrupt.

All it does is demonstrate a problem. Its not MN. Its not women speaking about their lives and experiences. Its people wanting women to not speak. Women speaking is dangerous. Women might get dangerous ideas from talking about their own lives.

It is the reason MN has ALWAYS been a target. Long before this as a subject was on the political radar. Because there are those out there who do not want to deal with and acknowledge the lives and lived experiences of women. Women with their own opinons and thinking for themselves have ALWAYS been shamed for it.

It is fascinating to see in real time in 2024.

No one would come on MN and berate someone for only posting about SEN issues and how it affects them.

but that’s understandable.

Why would a woman come on mumsnet and only ever post on trans issues?

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:37

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:36

Can you link us to any examples of trans women being harmed by men whilst using men's toilets?

I don’t think trans women who are living as women use men’s toilets.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:37

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 19:42

It doesn’t matter. The ones who identify as women will use the women’s loos and the men the other. If men want to “pretend to identify as women” well go ahead- why would anyone do that anyway ?

And third space for women who want to ensure only natal females- however they manage to police that.

We've been told repeatedly on this thread that being forced to share facilities with men does not respect the safety or dignity of trans women. So how do you keep men out of facilities for trans women?

It's much easier to police single sex spaces than spaces organised by gender identity because we can see just by looking at you what sex you are, whereas nobody has got a fucking clue what your gender identity is because it's invisible.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:38

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:34

No trans women have been assaulted by men ?
Actually bonkers that you think this.

I'd be interested to know what the rate of transwomen being assaulted in men's loos is. I have not seen, or even heard of, any evidence that suggests transwomen are at any greater risk of violence than any other males when using men's loos. If you have seen any evidence, I'd be grateful for a link to it.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 20:40

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:36

No one would come on MN and berate someone for only posting about SEN issues and how it affects them.

but that’s understandable.

Why would a woman come on mumsnet and only ever post on trans issues?

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Women’s hard fought for rights are important to a lot of women. It’s wild I know. If it’s ’trans issues’ then women would have a problem with trans men. They don’t. But if you had read the thread like you said you would surely know this… 🙄

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:40

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:36

No one would come on MN and berate someone for only posting about SEN issues and how it affects them.

but that’s understandable.

Why would a woman come on mumsnet and only ever post on trans issues?

Edited

How do you know if they are only posting on trans issues? (Not that there's any reason why they shouldn't, if they want to.) You do know you can change your username here, right?

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:40

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:38

I'd be interested to know what the rate of transwomen being assaulted in men's loos is. I have not seen, or even heard of, any evidence that suggests transwomen are at any greater risk of violence than any other males when using men's loos. If you have seen any evidence, I'd be grateful for a link to it.

First Google hit

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/transgender-teens-restricted-bathroom-access-sexual-assault/

pointythings · 18/10/2024 20:40

No there are not 'plenty where trans women have been assaulted by men of course'. There are none. None at all.

A quick Google tells you otherwise.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:41

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:36

No one would come on MN and berate someone for only posting about SEN issues and how it affects them.

but that’s understandable.

Why would a woman come on mumsnet and only ever post on trans issues?

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Because most websites will delete and ban you for saying trans women are not women?

Snowypeaks · 18/10/2024 20:41

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 20:06

I can’t remember the exact wording tbh. I’m not involved in recruiting people.
The options for the first question would be something like man, woman, non-binary, other. And then yes, no for the second question. I think then if the second question is no then either they’d be automatically excluded or asked further questions depending on what the research is and who specifically is being recruited.

Thanks for getting back to me.

Can you say what gender means in the first and the second questions? The exact wording doesn't matter, it's the use of the word "gender". It seems to be being used in different senses.
The options for qu 1 are identities. The use of "gender" in both questions could mean that they are the same thing.
Which raises the question:
How can gender identity - a subjective feeling about yourself - be assigned to a little newborn by someone else?

Perhaps gender in the first question does not mean gender identity, but sex.
Sex cannot be assigned at birth (but let's not argue about that here) - more importantly, it cannot change. Would you agree? Presumably that is why some people are excluded due to their answer to the second question.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:42

pointythings · 18/10/2024 20:40

No there are not 'plenty where trans women have been assaulted by men of course'. There are none. None at all.

A quick Google tells you otherwise.

You should be able to link us up then.

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:42

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:40

How do you know if they are only posting on trans issues? (Not that there's any reason why they shouldn't, if they want to.) You do know you can change your username here, right?

But why would someone change their username to only post on one specific topic?

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:43

That's an American article about American schools? How is that relevant here?

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:41

Because most websites will delete and ban you for saying trans women are not women?

on mumsnet it’s completely the opposite!!!! Any user who’s been here a while knows that

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:43

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:42

But why would someone change their username to only post on one specific topic?

Well, again, speculating here, but since women have been cancelled and fired for not adhering to gender ideology, perhaps they don't want their posting on trans issues to be linked with their posts on other topics which may be identifying?

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:44

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:43

That's an American article about American schools? How is that relevant here?

there’s a lot more research in the US in general, it’s often used here as context is highly similar.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:44

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:42

But why would someone change their username to only post on one specific topic?

I dunno. But they can - and why shouldn't they? Lots of people change their username frequently so they can post freely while still not revealing too much about themselves.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:44

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:44

there’s a lot more research in the US in general, it’s often used here as context is highly similar.

No it isn't, their culture is completely different.

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:45

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:43

Well, again, speculating here, but since women have been cancelled and fired for not adhering to gender ideology, perhaps they don't want their posting on trans issues to be linked with their posts on other topics which may be identifying?

Right. So something to hide I guess.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:45

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:43

on mumsnet it’s completely the opposite!!!! Any user who’s been here a while knows that

We should be able to say that trans women are not women anywhere we damn well like. Because that's the truth.

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:45

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 20:44

I dunno. But they can - and why shouldn't they? Lots of people change their username frequently so they can post freely while still not revealing too much about themselves.

Yes changing username frequently ad hoc and if posting something identifying sure

Greyskybluesky · 18/10/2024 20:46

Massive derail

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 20:46

Whattheactualf19 · 18/10/2024 20:45

Right. So something to hide I guess.

You shouldn't have to hide the fact that you don't believe humans can change sex any more than you should have to hide the fact that you believe water is wet, but amazingly we live in strange times where you can in fact be fired for saying women don't have penises, and most of us can't afford to get fired.

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