To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

[Zahariel]

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

Third spaces for gender critical women is my preferred approach

third spaces for mixed sex toilets is my preferred approach

And just for any poster who might want to answer this one:

In fact, while we are on safety.

Can those declaring that male people should have access to female single sex spaces please link us to the evidence where a male at any stage of transition has less risk of committing a sexual offence than any other male person in the UK?

Then, can you please link us to the evidence where a male at any stage of transition has less or the same risk of committing a sexual offence as any female person in the UK?

Because it seems to me that some posters have some special knowledge that male people with a transgender identity should be exempt from the usual safeguarding measures. So much so, that they should be treated as a special sub group.

@Helleofabore God not you again, one could be forgiven for believing you have some unknown agenda !!!!

or are you a reverse xxx

I know.... I know... 😉

It is almost like my questions and points are too hard to construct a detailed and considered answer for some posters. I have to admit that I and others who have asked this question above practically never get an answer.

Which of these people is allowed in your lovely 'inclusive' toilet for women and transwomen then?

They're real people btw - one is a man, one identifies as non-binary and one is a transwoman. Which is welcome in your toilet and which isn't?

@Helleofabore I think you are doing a magnificent job as are others are and a certain person has visibly tied themselves in knots. Used to go by another name BTW beginning with K, fellow garden person.😉

Hoping this thread fills up soon

Presenting as a woman isn’t necessarily about “passing”. “Passing” is when you don’t recognise someone is trans.

Hardly any TW "pass" and most don't even make much effort.
Because it's not even about that. It's about a belief in a "gender identity" that virtually no one else shares.

It’s obvious you have a very low opinion of trans people as a group of people. that comes out loud and clear

So if a male person who has short hair, wears no makeup and is wearing jeans and a t-shirt walks into the trans inclusive women's toilets, and when challenged, says, "I am a woman", how do you know whether they are a real trans woman or just pretending?

No one's forcing you to read it

How is my opinion "low".
To Whattheactualf19 · Today 19:26

I'm only saying what you and other gender ideology zealots say themselves.
It's not about passing.
It's about an internal sense of self.

I'm sure you just said it was transphobic to make it about passing. I literally just agreed that it's not about that.

The derision in your message was clear

Well I didn't condone releasing bugs into an auditorium full of gay people.

Why does it matter?

You're reading derision where there is none.

Sal Grover nailed it .

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1846375669732978955?s=46

‘A guy pretended to be a “transwoman” for 6 months to show people how ridiculous it is that anyone would think a man can be a woman at all.’

‘If you’re still not convinced, think of it this way: would you have supported him going into a woman only space last week but not this week?’

As so many of us have been saying, how can you tell which is real and which is someone pretending for whatever reason?

Because drumroll
Sex. Matters.

‘A guy pretended to be a “transwoman” for 6 months to show people how ridiculous it is that anyone would think a man can be a woman at all.’

‘If you’re still not convinced, think of it this way: would you have supported him going into a woman only space last week but not this week?’

it matters in some ways, in other ways it doesn’t. It’s just one fact about a person in many. It doesby define everything g about who someone is

Great.
So you accept that in some ways someone can be trans but in other ways they're just the sex that they are because it doesn't always matter.

I have no idea what you mean by any of that

So how is anyone going to know which of the people in the above photos belong in the 'transwomen inclusive' female toilets? PP is happy to share toilets with transwomen but definitely not with men so it's going to be necessary to know which is which, how will anyone tell?

It always matters in certain situations. No one gives a shit in others.