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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:27

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:13

I tell you what though, can you explain to us why any policing needs to be done?
Are you saying that some male people, on seeing a sign or knowing that there is a law supporting a particular female only single sex space, will ignore that it is a female single sex space and will enter that space anyway?

Bizarre. I don’t think any policing needs to be done: you are the people who seem to want to police these spaces, afraid that predatory men might infiltrate them. If you are not- then no problem. You do you.
I am slightly concerned that you might see a gender non-conforming female person , and believing she was a predatory trans woman, respond with hostility (this does happen to butch women in female toilets) and I want no part of this behaviour in my toilets personally.

Has one person on this thread suggested the hyperbolic things you felt you should include in your post? The chromosomes tests, the genital tests etc?

"I am slightly concerned that you might see a gender non-conforming female person , and believing she was a predatory trans woman, respond with hostility (this does happen to butch women in female toilets) and I want no part of this behaviour in my toilets personally."

I believe that I am highly likely to be able to distinguish who is a gender non-conforming female person and a male person in real life, watching them move and hearing their voice. Please don't feel concerned that I would act 'with hostility'. Asking a simple question is not a hostile act? If fact, I grew up being asked questions about whether I was in the right toilet as a gender non-conforming kid.

You see we have also been reliably informed by enough women you call 'butch' that have actually turned it around and told the woman asking the questions that they certainly appreciate being asked. Because it is clear that the woman asking whether someone is using the correct sex toilet is actively concerned about other female people.

But you do seem to be rather inconsistent. You don't seem to care that some female people have needs that you seem very keen to dismiss while you wish to centre a group of male people.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:32

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:13

I tell you what though, can you explain to us why any policing needs to be done?
Are you saying that some male people, on seeing a sign or knowing that there is a law supporting a particular female only single sex space, will ignore that it is a female single sex space and will enter that space anyway?

Bizarre. I don’t think any policing needs to be done: you are the people who seem to want to police these spaces, afraid that predatory men might infiltrate them. If you are not- then no problem. You do you.
I am slightly concerned that you might see a gender non-conforming female person , and believing she was a predatory trans woman, respond with hostility (this does happen to butch women in female toilets) and I want no part of this behaviour in my toilets personally.

The only reason why any policing would need to be done is if trans people can't be trusted to respect single sex spaces.

Do you think trans people can't be trusted to respect single sex spaces?

PS - they're not YOUR toilets, they're OUR toilets.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:36

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:10

'cis' is a meaningless word.

Based on posts from another thread where a poster assured us that cis women are what we should be talking about when referring to two male boxers who competed in the female category of boxing in the Paris Olympics, I decided that we need as many women who read these threads to understand just what that term means.

The term 'cis' is now meaningless because it also now includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes, ie. a male person with a difference of sex development that have testes or testes tissue. Such as Caster Semenya.

Therefore, female people have no unique words that describe just those female people who have a body ^^formed around the production of large gametes.

None.

There is no word left for female people. Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’.

Because 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.

2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:

Cis = 1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **

and 3 Any person who has a female body^^

Trans = 2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Do people see the issue here? There is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is now shown to be meaningless.

I am rather concerned that someone who conducts research would ever think that 'cis' was an appropriate word to use for female people. Here is that pic again....

I can't think of any situation where I would ever need to use the term "cis women" because I can't think of any situation where I think gender identity is relevant to society at large.

If I'm talking about women, I'm talking about female people, which means I expressly intend to exclude trans women and include female people who identify as something other than women.

When would I ever need to refer to "people of either sex who call themselves women"? In what context? For what purpose? This is a completely nonexistent grouping.

DialSquare · 18/10/2024 17:41

You don't seem to care that some female people have needs that you seem very keen to dismiss while you wish to centre a group of male people.

Exactly. No consideration for the women who will self exclude from their own single sex spaces once they become mixed sex.

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:42

Come to think of it, I think that a poster who may be on this very thread was the one who reminded me that 'cis' was a meaningless term. Because we were fully assured that a male with a viralising DSD was a 'cis woman' and there fore should have full access to female sports categories if they wished to compete there.

I do thank that poster for reminding me of that rather glaring inconsistency that leaves female people without a word for themselves since there are now many male people who are stating they are 'female'.

No words left for female people to discuss their unique needs. But apparently, this language is not harmful to women and girls...

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 17:44

PiggleToes · Today 17:13

Bizarre. I don’t think any policing needs to be done: you are the people who seem to want to police these spaces, afraid that predatory men might infiltrate them.

That's exactly what happens; 8 out 9 sexual assaults of women and girls in toilets and changing rooms occur in mixed sex facilities. Most of the voyeurism and assaults by men, in single sex facilities, are by men claiming to be women.

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:45

DialSquare · 18/10/2024 17:41

You don't seem to care that some female people have needs that you seem very keen to dismiss while you wish to centre a group of male people.

Exactly. No consideration for the women who will self exclude from their own single sex spaces once they become mixed sex.

None at all Dial.

It never seems to even occur to those who argue that any male over the age of about 8 should be allowed to use female single sex spaces, or those who say that all toilets should be gender neutral that mixed sex spaces will mean that female people will self exclude.

Because female people have needs that these people supporting the prioritisation of gender identity, a philosophical belief, over sex.

Fully dismissed. Just like that.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 17:45

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:19

Right, but not everything is about trans people. They have to accept some form of compromise

So unbelievably, disgustingly transphobic 😡.

Trans people’s right to have a safe place to piss is every single bit as important as yours.

honestly it’s statements like this that do give people the utter, legitimate rage.

who the hell do you think you are? I’m happy with the toilets as they are, sharing them with trans women as I always have.

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Thing is, there's no evidence that transwomen using the correct loos and other facilities for their sex puts them at any more risk than any other male using the loo, regardless of how they dress or identify.

Whereas we know that women are more at risk in mixed-sex facilities - which is what the women's loos then become if you say its OK for transwomen to use them, too.

Give your own rights and safety away if you want to, @PiggleToes, but you've no right to give away mine.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:46

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:20

Blimey.

This post is quite something.

So .... it appears that there is some inkling here that having a transgender identity IS only based on the common experience of having a philosophical belief.

Because if a female person acted in a criminal way towards someone, no victim or society would be using any different pronouns for that female person. That female person would always be referred to as a 'she', even by their victims.

I believe we are getting somewhere here. I think this is an acknowledgment that pronoun usage is only done to please the person who has chosen those pronouns. And I think that anyone reading along should understand just who they are pleasing and ask themselves why? Why are you speaking in a way that is not following established language conventions and distorting your personal language to suit someone's philosophical belief about themselves?

Why? To just be 'nice' and 'kind'?

When it has already been shown to be harmful collectively to female people to comply with these language demands?

No idea what any of this means.

Pronouns are simply words we use to describe people or address them.

As with all words to describe or address people, you do so in a manner that is compatible with the dignity and respect of that person.

Obviously if someone has raped you, you don’t really have to worry about being respectful , you can be as rude as you choose.

That’s all.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:47

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 17:45

Thing is, there's no evidence that transwomen using the correct loos and other facilities for their sex puts them at any more risk than any other male using the loo, regardless of how they dress or identify.

Whereas we know that women are more at risk in mixed-sex facilities - which is what the women's loos then become if you say its OK for transwomen to use them, too.

Give your own rights and safety away if you want to, @PiggleToes, but you've no right to give away mine.

Of course it’s not compatible with the dignity and safety of trans women to require them to use the men’s toilets.

Utterly ridiculous.

Bannedontherun · 18/10/2024 17:48

@PiggleToes Why not - they are actual men.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/10/2024 17:48

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:33

NO! And nor would the trans women:

what about my solution is unacceptable to you?

Why wouldn't you be happy using an "all genders" loo, then?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 17:49

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:47

Of course it’s not compatible with the dignity and safety of trans women to require them to use the men’s toilets.

Utterly ridiculous.

Why wouldn't it be safe for trans women to use the men’s toilets?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:49

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:46

No idea what any of this means.

Pronouns are simply words we use to describe people or address them.

As with all words to describe or address people, you do so in a manner that is compatible with the dignity and respect of that person.

Obviously if someone has raped you, you don’t really have to worry about being respectful , you can be as rude as you choose.

That’s all.

But it's not compatible with dignity or respect for myself or other women to address a male person as "she". Why should I be forced to deny the truth of my own eyes? Why does their lie take priority over our right to speak the truth?

Bannedontherun · 18/10/2024 17:50

@PiggleToes well done for surviving thus far without a flounce out. Your gender Identity is not fooling me BTW

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:50

The thing is, cis is also not a neutral term.

For the philosophical belief to work, the people who seek to redefine themselves have forceably redefined all people. Without people's consent. (How kind is that?)

It isn’t them saying ‘people with transgender identities’ and ‘people without transgender identities’. It is them declaring everyone has this thing they belief in - a gender identity. That is what this word ‘cis’ means.

But then it fails even more when it then also means in the term ‘cis woman/girl’ includes male people with particular medical conditions that mean their bodies go through male puberty to virilise.

Religious people can call other people non-believers of their religion and this is a material fact. It is real and it is meaningful. I doubt people would reject that. It is a null option.

’Cis’ is not a null option. ‘Cis’ is not describing the lack of belief because it demands that everyone has a gender identity. It is enforcing belief on the recipient of that label.

I don't believe that it is kind in anyway.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:51

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:27

Has one person on this thread suggested the hyperbolic things you felt you should include in your post? The chromosomes tests, the genital tests etc?

"I am slightly concerned that you might see a gender non-conforming female person , and believing she was a predatory trans woman, respond with hostility (this does happen to butch women in female toilets) and I want no part of this behaviour in my toilets personally."

I believe that I am highly likely to be able to distinguish who is a gender non-conforming female person and a male person in real life, watching them move and hearing their voice. Please don't feel concerned that I would act 'with hostility'. Asking a simple question is not a hostile act? If fact, I grew up being asked questions about whether I was in the right toilet as a gender non-conforming kid.

You see we have also been reliably informed by enough women you call 'butch' that have actually turned it around and told the woman asking the questions that they certainly appreciate being asked. Because it is clear that the woman asking whether someone is using the correct sex toilet is actively concerned about other female people.

But you do seem to be rather inconsistent. You don't seem to care that some female people have needs that you seem very keen to dismiss while you wish to centre a group of male people.

The chromosomes tests, the genital tests etc?

Well several people banging on about not wanting to share toilets with people penises as usual- I wasn’t sure how you were planning to check?

If you think you can decide who’s male by looking at them- good for you! I want no part of that in my toilets- That’s all.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:51

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:47

Of course it’s not compatible with the dignity and safety of trans women to require them to use the men’s toilets.

Utterly ridiculous.

Why is it incompatible with the safety and dignity of trans women to require them to use facilities along with their own sex, but perfectly fine to require women to use facilities along with members of the opposite sex?

If trans women are allowed to say "no" to sharing these spaces with male people, why is it not OK for women to say "no" to sharing these spaces with male people?

Make it make sense.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:51

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 17:49

Why wouldn't it be safe for trans women to use the men’s toilets?

Why do you think it would be?

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 17:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:49

Why wouldn't it be safe for trans women to use the men’s toilets?

There is no evidence, or statistics on this, suggesting that it's not any sort of problem. This is despite the confident assertions of Peter Tatchell that "We all know that there has been an epidemic of violent attacks on transw in men's toilet."

Quite simply, it has no basis in fact.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:52

Bannedontherun · 18/10/2024 17:50

@PiggleToes well done for surviving thus far without a flounce out. Your gender Identity is not fooling me BTW

care to explain yourself ?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:52

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:51

Why do you think it would be?

We don't think that. You apparently do though, so perhaps you can explain why.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:54

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 17:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:49

Why wouldn't it be safe for trans women to use the men’s toilets?

There is no evidence, or statistics on this, suggesting that it's not any sort of problem. This is despite the confident assertions of Peter Tatchell that "We all know that there has been an epidemic of violent attacks on transw in men's toilet."

Quite simply, it has no basis in fact.

If you seriously believe that it is compatible with the safety and dignity of a trans woman to be forced to enter male facilities then you are completely out of touch with reality.
it is not a position worthy of any respect .

DialSquare · 18/10/2024 17:55

Helleofabore · 18/10/2024 17:45

None at all Dial.

It never seems to even occur to those who argue that any male over the age of about 8 should be allowed to use female single sex spaces, or those who say that all toilets should be gender neutral that mixed sex spaces will mean that female people will self exclude.

Because female people have needs that these people supporting the prioritisation of gender identity, a philosophical belief, over sex.

Fully dismissed. Just like that.

Yes, helle. I’d be embarrassed to put the safety and dignity of men over vulnerable women. Particularly if I then tried to convince myself that I was a decent person for doing so.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 17:55

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 17:51

Why do you think it would be?

That’s why I’m asking you.

Would it be because they are male and statistically males are the more problematic sex class, towards women and other males, which is why spaces are segregated by sex in the first place? The answer to this is not to have them going into the women’s.

Incidentally though have you any stats on trans identified males being attacked in male toilets?

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