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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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spannasaurus · 18/10/2024 15:28

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:27

The standard procedure would be asking the gender, and then a second question "is your gender the same as you were assigned at birth?". Generally though in large cohort studies the number of trans people would be so small it wouldn't make a difference to the overall data patterns.

So you could be reporting the results of males as females? Is that helpful in research?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:29

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:19

Right, but not everything is about trans people. They have to accept some form of compromise

So unbelievably, disgustingly transphobic 😡.

Trans people’s right to have a safe place to piss is every single bit as important as yours.

honestly it’s statements like this that do give people the utter, legitimate rage.

who the hell do you think you are? I’m happy with the toilets as they are, sharing them with trans women as I always have.

Edited

I agree that their right to have a safe place to piss is as important as mine. And mine is as important as theirs.

And a safe place for me to piss is a space that they are not in.

They do not need my presence in order to be safe.

I do need their absence in order to be safe.

Basically you think women saying no is transphobic, which is unbelievably, disgustingly misogynistic.

It appears we have to choose between being unbelievably, disgustingly transphobic and being unbelievably, disgustingly misogynistic, in which case I (and most other people) will have to choose to be unbelievably, disgustingly transphobic.

Perhaps you need to reframe the definition of transphobia so that we have an alternative option.

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:25

I can tell you how it goes. About five minutes after this experiment starts, all women barring the occasional ally with a pronoun badge are using the gender critical penis free toilets, and five minutes after that trans women start moaning that the only other women in the women's toilets are other trans women, and about five minutes after that the trans women start identifying as cisgendered gender critical women and invading the penis free spaces, with the exception of India Willoughby who did this in the first minute.

I think the best solution is having gender neutral toilet cubicles with sinks in the cubicle. I love these they're much more private. Plus we negate the standard issue at theatres etc. of a huge queue for the women's toilet and no queue for the mens.

nothingcomestonothing · 18/10/2024 15:29

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:27

The standard procedure would be asking the gender, and then a second question "is your gender the same as you were assigned at birth?". Generally though in large cohort studies the number of trans people would be so small it wouldn't make a difference to the overall data patterns.

And if the person doesn't have gender identity, as most people don't? And they didn't have anything assigned to them at birth, as most people don't?

And how do you acertain the gender of the mice?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:30

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:29

I think the best solution is having gender neutral toilet cubicles with sinks in the cubicle. I love these they're much more private. Plus we negate the standard issue at theatres etc. of a huge queue for the women's toilet and no queue for the mens.

There are many reasons why this is not the best or safest solution for women.

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:31

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:25

YOU don’t get to give away the rights of women who aren’t happy sharing their toilets, spaces, whatever, with biological males. What’s so difficult to understand about that?

If trans women don’t feel safe in the males take it up with them (and the irony of this will be so lost on you).

There was nothing transphobic about that statement btw.

I’m not giving away your rights you can have your own goddam toilets where you police people’s gender presentation, inspect their genitals, swab their chromosomes, or whatever else you people go in for at the bloody door .

meanwhile please can the rest of us women bloody well get on with pissing in peace without all the gender policing? Thanks.

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:31

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:30

There are many reasons why this is not the best or safest solution for women.

What reasons?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/10/2024 15:31

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:28

Who on earth is assigned a gender at birth.

Absolutely no one

peoples sex is observed and recorded

Snowypeaks · 18/10/2024 15:32

Raspberryripple11

If you wouldn't mind - can you tell us what you mean by this:

The standard procedure would be asking the gender, and then a second question "is your gender the same as you were assigned at birth?".

"Gender" in the first question and "gender" in the second question - what do they mean?

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2024 15:32

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:19

Right, but not everything is about trans people. They have to accept some form of compromise

So unbelievably, disgustingly transphobic 😡.

Trans people’s right to have a safe place to piss is every single bit as important as yours.

honestly it’s statements like this that do give people the utter, legitimate rage.

who the hell do you think you are? I’m happy with the toilets as they are, sharing them with trans women as I always have.

Edited

If the right of women to piss in safety is the same as transwomen's then you are fully supportive of third spaces then.

Just to clarify that transwomen argue that their reasoning is because they view males as a potential threat.

This being the same reasoning as women. Who have statistics to back up why transwomen (and men posing as transwomen) pose a bigger threat than women.

Hmm.

That's not what you meant though is it?

You are arguing that transwomen have an 'equal right' to an argument that women can't equally apply.

Cos magic logic.

spannasaurus · 18/10/2024 15:32

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:31

I’m not giving away your rights you can have your own goddam toilets where you police people’s gender presentation, inspect their genitals, swab their chromosomes, or whatever else you people go in for at the bloody door .

meanwhile please can the rest of us women bloody well get on with pissing in peace without all the gender policing? Thanks.

How about if we had single sex female toilets and change the mens to all genders. I assume you would be happy using the all genders?

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 15:33

Nobody, Wes, absolutely nobody at all, ever.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:33

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:31

What reasons?

  1. If you are taken ill and collapse in a single enclosed toilet you won't be found for a while.
  2. If a man follows you into a single enclosed toilet and rapes you, there's a greater chance no one will see or hear anything.
  3. They take up more space which means fewer toilets for women overall.
PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:33

spannasaurus · 18/10/2024 15:32

How about if we had single sex female toilets and change the mens to all genders. I assume you would be happy using the all genders?

NO! And nor would the trans women:

what about my solution is unacceptable to you?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:33

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:31

I’m not giving away your rights you can have your own goddam toilets where you police people’s gender presentation, inspect their genitals, swab their chromosomes, or whatever else you people go in for at the bloody door .

meanwhile please can the rest of us women bloody well get on with pissing in peace without all the gender policing? Thanks.

Or, we can just tell who are males, without having to do all that.

‘Without all the gender policing’, said without a hint of irony, from a TRA 😂😂 You can’t make it up.

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2024 15:34

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:31

I’m not giving away your rights you can have your own goddam toilets where you police people’s gender presentation, inspect their genitals, swab their chromosomes, or whatever else you people go in for at the bloody door .

meanwhile please can the rest of us women bloody well get on with pissing in peace without all the gender policing? Thanks.

We would be happy with women's toilets and gender neutral toilets though.

The problem is with transwomen who don't want to equally respect this...

That 'equal respect' thing ends up in short supply in certain scenarios doesn't it?

It's fascinating seeing the tying in knots when it comes to practical application in real world situations.

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 15:34

PiggleToes · Today 14:25

I have a problem with the LGBA because of their specifically transphobic agenda.

That explains your posting, you have an imaginary problem, based on something that doesn't exist. Unless you can explain why Mermaids failed to reach the evidential level to bring a case, alleging that, to a tribunal?

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:34

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:33

Or, we can just tell who are males, without having to do all that.

‘Without all the gender policing’, said without a hint of irony, from a TRA 😂😂 You can’t make it up.

FINE!! You do you. Go about it,

toilets a) women (gender critical definition - natal females)
toilets b) women (trans inclusive definition)
toilets c) men.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:35

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/10/2024 15:31

Absolutely no one

peoples sex is observed and recorded

Yup, and anyone who thinks otherwise shouldn’t be let loose near ‘research’.

nothingcomestonothing · 18/10/2024 15:37

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:28

Right, but not everything is about trans people. They have to accept some form of compromise

im out because this made me too angry.

I’ll leave you all with a perfectly simple solution. I’ll even call the toilets you want option a! How about that.

toilets a) women (gender critical definition - natal females)

toilets b) women (trans inclusive definition)

toilets c) men.

Transmen go where? Presumably they don't want to go in the nasty GC toilets. And they can't go in what you want to have as the women's toilets, as by your definition they aren't women. And if the men want a sex- based definition for their toilets as women do, where do TM go?

TRAs never give a shit about women who ID as trans. Almost as if they know full well who are the important humans and who are the service humans.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/10/2024 15:37

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2024 15:34

PiggleToes · Today 14:25

I have a problem with the LGBA because of their specifically transphobic agenda.

That explains your posting, you have an imaginary problem, based on something that doesn't exist. Unless you can explain why Mermaids failed to reach the evidential level to bring a case, alleging that, to a tribunal?

We can argue about toilets all we like, but this is what it comes down to.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:37

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:33

NO! And nor would the trans women:

what about my solution is unacceptable to you?

  1. The fact that women who don't want penises in their single sex spaces are the majority, not a tiny minority, and should be provided for accordingly.
  2. The fact that it others and stigmatises women for having a perfectly normal preference for single sex facilities.
  3. The fact that trans women still couldn't be trusted to stay out of those spaces.
spannasaurus · 18/10/2024 15:38

@PiggleToes I'm interested in your views about placing transwomen in female prisons. Since you think that trans criminals don't deserve the same respect as other non criminal trans people does this mean that you are happy for them to be placed in men's prisons.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 15:38

PiggleToes · 18/10/2024 15:34

FINE!! You do you. Go about it,

toilets a) women (gender critical definition - natal females)
toilets b) women (trans inclusive definition)
toilets c) men.

As long as the space for the inclusive toilets is taken from the space currently allocated for men and not the space currently allocated for women, fine.

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2024 15:39

Raspberryripple11 · 18/10/2024 15:20

Or we could say that the crime has nothing to do with being transgender?
Treat them as a criminal yes, but I don't see why the pronouns have to come into it. If a cis woman sexually assaults someone do you denounce that they must be male because no woman could ever do that.
Of course, when it comes to prisons if a prisoner is deemed a danger to other prisoners then they should be housed and supervised accordingly. But if a cis woman murdered a bunch of other women would you put them in a male prison to protect the female inmates?
By repeatedly bringing up prisons and criminality as an excuse for not respecting pronouns you are being transphobic.

Does a woman demand that their victim addresses them in a way that their victim finds distressing? The use of pronouns in this scenario is about power and control over a victim. It is used to retraumatise and to cause distress. Understanding that sexual offenses are usually motivated by power is crucial here.

Not to mention that women committing sexual offences is few and far between. Even if you compare numbers within the general population.

Hmm.

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