New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

you need to recheck your facts on baby C - she was there at the time of death 100%

It’s detailed well in the Thirwell Inquiry transcript the designated nurse gave evidence last week

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/R-v-Letby-Final-Judgment-20240702.pdf

to all who need to look at the facts see link

note Evan’s was backed up by another expert witness

The charge and conviction were based on an x-ray taken the day before Letby ever set eyes on Baby C.

yes this was corrected and the judge was made aware but given her suspicions actions at the time of death the accusation was deemed reasonable

He said: "The stomach bubble was not responsible for his death. (It) probably destabilised him though. His demise occurred the following day, around midnight, and due to air in the bloodstream.
“Letby was there. I amended my opinion after hearing the evidence from the local nurses and doctors. Baby C was always the most difficult from a clinical point of view. So I understand the confusion.”

This was known at the time but only picked up on by the armchair sleuths recently

the "evidence" given was that there was air in the stomach given via the ng tube, why did the doctor order an xray in the first place?How did the air get there, it must have been during tube insertion or the feeding, it wasn't LL. LL wasn't there at the time of the supposedly air in the stomach, or when the xray was taken. It was later when he decided to change his opinion, based on what? What does he mean baby c was always the most clinically difficult? why? what evidence is there that there was an air embolism.

who is this in response to

If an expert witness who has been working on the case for four or five years changes his mind on oath to shore up the prosecution case in the light of exonerating evidence then there is a problem with British justice.
https://medium.com/@triedbystats/lucy-letby-was-convicted-of-murdering-baby-c-based-on-evidence-from-a-day-when-she-wasnt-on-shift-8fb2bb93e0ef

@MissMoneyFairy

the bubble in the stomach didn’t kill baby C - the baby was alive after the scan

And even if his opinion was wrong other people at the trial still said the evidence pointed to her

AGAIN people are not looking at the bigger picture - he was not solely responsible for this - there was many consultants, Drs, registrars, nurses, professors etc

Myers trying to get Evan’s testimony thrown out proved fruitless because Dr Bohin also gave evidence to the same effect

If the defence had people willing to dispute what was said they should have filed that during the trial -

He said it destabilised him. How did the air get there. Why was the xrayntaken. What proof is there of an iv air embolism.

No indeed. It was natural causes as the obstetrician said.

“Being absolutely open and honest, I never, ever considered that this death could have been from deliberate harm.
“From my perspective when I saw the postmortem result and the immaturity of the baby’s lungs I presumed that this was a death entirely consistent with prematurity.”
Dr McCormack added: “I knew that this baby was very sick. The baby was very small and that is a baby for me that when I see that postmortem, I would have said to myself, that is typical with my experience with that sort of outcome.
“In Baby C’s case there was a postmortem report that actually had a cause of death, and I know there is some debate about the interpretation. It’s not as if the pathology is saying this was unexplained.”
Dr McCormack – Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist, Thirlwall Enquiry

We’ve already covered in this thread what Baby C actually died of:

1a. Widespread hypoxic ischaemic damage to heart
1b. Immaturity of lung
1c. Severe maternal vascular under perfusion
30 week gestation severe IUGR, AEDF and oligohydramnios. Delayed cord clamping. Brief period of ventilation. UVC displaced on handling. Raised lactate and infection markers. Never opened bowels and bile stained aspirates.

*IUGR = inter-uterine growth retardation, AEDF = absent end diastolic flow - indicates foetus under vascular stress. Both carry increased risk of complications and mortality.

Dr McCormack:

“I saw the post-mortem result and the immaturity of baby's lungs, like, I presumed that this was a death entirely consistent with prematurity. And I knew that this baby was very sick. I knew that it had abnormal doppler. I knew there was no (inaudible). I knew that the growth of the baby was very abnormal, it was small. and that is a baby for me that when I saw that post-mortem I would have said to myself, “Right, well, that's typical with my experience with that sort of mother -- with that sort of outcome."

In short: nasogastric tubing is irrelevant to this child’s death (as Evans has now admitted) and so is LL.

Xpost.

Baby C was being looked after by a less experienced nurse, that wouldn't have happened if he was at risk of collapse. As a PP said, LL actually neglected her own baby she was meant to be looking after. Why would she be so obsessed about being in room 1? And end up there anyway after being told "no" if she was innocent? Then has to be removed from the family room. Then stalks baby C's parents as soon as she gets home.

Yes and those arguments give some weight ie - perfusion lots of these babies had poor perfusion and under developed lungs - the heart was said to have been damaged by the injection of air into the blood stream -

yes I can see the child was not growing as it should in utero

but it was the presence of the common factors that has lent itself to being described as murder. She was constantly interfering and hanging around - especially that baby when she had no need to be there. She even took pictures of sympathy cards she sent to parents.

No one has said why these babies constantly collapsed on that unit, no one has given a reason - collapses are not common at all - people on here keep saying the babies were all sick - NO they were not ALL sick! They were there to be cared for as deemed necessary in babies of a certain gestation and weight

FGS some were 37 weeks, yes they had underdeveloped lungs many preterms do

You can all say fb searches, sympathy cards, WhatsApp chats about dying babies, are normal behaviour if you so wish - desperation to be in nursery 1

believe it that the immunosay test is inaccurate in 1 out of every 100 or in this scenario was inaccurate twice

the doubters just want to doubt every single untoward thing about this case

no so called expert has been able to come up with a reason all of these babies were constantly collapsing

The FB searches are definitely irrelevant when you look at how many unrelated people she searched. I search random people all the time including parents of kids I used to look after, it's curiosity about how they're doing.

You say this but then no one has come up with any concrete evidence either.

I mean when diagnosing the heart issue she’s obviously not going to think it was going to be caused by damaged due to an injection of air is she?

All of the other factors are there but not necessarily a killer in a 30 week old baby

Eveh the fact a stool was not passed - one of these so callled experts has said baby died of a bowel blockage!!! Absolutely ridiculous - many preemies have delayed stools - many reasons why like drugs given to mother in labour etc

@Dramatic thats in your opinion

The justice system would beg to differ

Of course very premature babies are ill. They're in ICU because they can't survive without medical help. They are underdeveloped. Their organs don't work. They need drugs and mechanical interventions to keep them alive in the hope that over time they will grow and survive. They aren't just very small babies.

I think the fact that there's still so much debate over her guilt shows how shaky the evidence is.

Do you think LL was curious how parents were doing after she'd killed their babies? Probably not well...and she wanted to see their grief because she's evil. Same reason she would hang around the parents after a death where she wasn't wanted or needed.

@Firefly1987 But she also searched for parents of babies that didn't die. Why do you think she did that?

No I think she could have wanted to see how the family were doing,like she did with all the parents of the babies who went home.